- Aug 24, 2020
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Nov 11, 2009
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Not really Russia invades Ukraine related, but very interesting events going down Moldova tonight.
They had presidential election and a twin referendum to change constitution, to enshrine desire to join EU in it.
All prior polling suggested around 65-68% in favour of joining EU, but loads of reports of Russia funneling many millions of euros to try and buy No votes against joining EU for cash, the biggest pro Russian candidate has been quite open about it, they've caught multiple Russians trying to bring cash in to bribe votes and BBC on ground has witnessed rampant vote buying attempts, saying Putin has attempted to buy 300k no votes.
Anyway it's going to absolute wire, No vote (with Putins vote buying still ahead by a whisker bit with 1.4 million votes counted and 96% its just 35k votes in it and most of those left are overseas who are breaking 75-25 towards Yes to join EU.
Can follow their CEC live, its middle tab "Rezultate Prelimiere Referendum" for live EU referendum results. Hopefully Putin has blown millions, tried to rig it and still fails
They had presidential election and a twin referendum to change constitution, to enshrine desire to join EU in it.
All prior polling suggested around 65-68% in favour of joining EU, but loads of reports of Russia funneling many millions of euros to try and buy No votes against joining EU for cash, the biggest pro Russian candidate has been quite open about it, they've caught multiple Russians trying to bring cash in to bribe votes and BBC on ground has witnessed rampant vote buying attempts, saying Putin has attempted to buy 300k no votes.
Anyway it's going to absolute wire, No vote (with Putins vote buying still ahead by a whisker bit with 1.4 million votes counted and 96% its just 35k votes in it and most of those left are overseas who are breaking 75-25 towards Yes to join EU.
Can follow their CEC live, its middle tab "Rezultate Prelimiere Referendum" for live EU referendum results. Hopefully Putin has blown millions, tried to rig it and still fails
I found this video discussion very interesting. There's a bit too much blah from the host in the first few minutes, but the input from the US contributor (a Prof) is very good. It covers:
- US election and possible impact on Ukraine
- Could Trump be persuaded to support Ukraine
- Would the Democrats take the shackles off Ukraine if they win the election (he thinks probably not)
- Has Europe been sleepwalking waiting for US election
- How soon can Ukraine deliver its own long distance missiles
If you've got 25 minutes, it's some different guys to listen to.
- US election and possible impact on Ukraine
- Could Trump be persuaded to support Ukraine
- Would the Democrats take the shackles off Ukraine if they win the election (he thinks probably not)
- Has Europe been sleepwalking waiting for US election
- How soon can Ukraine deliver its own long distance missiles
If you've got 25 minutes, it's some different guys to listen to.
I've read both things:
- videos of N Korean troops in camps in the east
- alleged videos of some small numbers in camps close to Ukraine...maybe videos from partisans.
No idea , I'm waiting for BBC verify, that's if they've noticed the Nth Korean involvement yet.
Blimey, there's no end to the shit.Not really Russia invades Ukraine related, but very interesting events going down Moldova tonight.
They had presidential election and a twin referendum to change constitution, to enshrine desire to join EU in it.
All prior polling suggested around 65-68% in favour of joining EU, but loads of reports of Russia funneling many millions of euros to try and buy No votes against joining EU for cash, the biggest pro Russian candidate has been quite open about it, they've caught multiple Russians trying to bring cash in to bribe votes and BBC on ground has witnessed rampant vote buying attempts, saying Putin has attempted to buy 300k no votes.
Anyway it's going to absolute wire, No vote (with Putins vote buying still ahead by a whisker bit with 1.4 million votes counted and 96% its just 35k votes in it and most of those left are overseas who are breaking 75-25 towards Yes to join EU.
Can follow their CEC live, its middle tab "Rezultate Prelimiere Referendum" for live EU referendum results. Hopefully Putin has blown millions, tried to rig it and still fails
Haven't looked at the results
.Money money money
BBC saying the voting turnout in Moldova was 51%, surprisingly lowBlimey, there's no end to the shit.
Haven't looked at the results
Money money money
- Nov 11, 2009
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The results with 98.5% counted have now just crept into Yes winning referendum and the remaining votes are overseas, so it looks certain Yes will still win despite Putins massive meddling.Blimey, there's no end to the shit.
Haven't looked at the results
Money money money
But just as Yes took lead, the Moldovan election commission site has been DDOS attacked and taken offline, I wonder by whom!
The "51 election turnout" you mentioned on BBC isn't exactly 51%, its a tad higher than that I think? But in the presidential and referendum elections, under their constitution they needed a minimum of over 50% of electorate to vote for vote to be deemed valid. Its confirming they passed that minimum threshold.
Moldova is next on Putins hitlist and he was desperate to try and sway the EU vote with vote buying.
Looks like he's going to fail and it will pass with razor thin margin?
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Two years too late but I’m all for troops playing around on the Russian border. Show of force against the Russians.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I liked the bit from Gerdes where he says 'I'm not an economist'. He isn't alone in that on Youtube*.
But I think he was right to advise caution over an imminent Russian collapse. He said that he can't tell how long before something bad is going to happen. He favours some political or economic event being the catalyst for a collapse, which will happen quickly. But he doesn't know when. This is as decent a prediction as any.
*The IMF give Russia until towards the end of 2025. However, they predicted the economic demise of Russia by the end of 2024. Which technically, could still happen.
P.S. On another video, I heard that the 'known' unofficial inflation rate is 22-24%. No provenance for that figure was provided, but if true, it is not sustainable.
My advice for Russians, is to invest in wheelbarrows.
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
That's a stupid statement.
Thanks for the detailed clarification
. Do you have any idea whether 'independent observers' were in Moldova to report on the elec tion processesThey need to ship in some economists from Argentina
Yes it is.
The BBC has caught up with events.
BBC News - Seoul demands North Korean troops leave Russia immediately - BBC News
BBC News - Seoul demands North Korean troops leave Russia immediately - BBC News
Seoul demands North Korean troops leave Russia immediately
South Korea tells Russia's ambassador they are prepared to respond with "all measures available".
www.bbc.co.uk
fly high
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Shakhtar Donetsk: How Ukrainian club are dealing with stark realities of war
Shakhtar were forced to leave Donetsk a decade ago, and the challenge of running an elite club has increased since Russia's invasion in 2022.
www.bbc.co.uk
Sometimes we forget how hard it is for some. Supporting them tomorrow night against Arsenal.
Edit. Should and any EPL player complains about their lot they can feck off.
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happypig
Staring at the rude boys
I wonder if other Russian oligarchs are buying bungalows
Shropshire Seagull
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Is that like our Brexit referendum, only in reverse?Not really Russia invades Ukraine related, but very interesting events going down Moldova tonight.
They had presidential election and a twin referendum to change constitution, to enshrine desire to join EU in it.
All prior polling suggested around 65-68% in favour of joining EU, but loads of reports of Russia funneling many millions of euros to try and buy No votes against joining EU for cash, the biggest pro Russian candidate has been quite open about it, they've caught multiple Russians trying to bring cash in to bribe votes and BBC on ground has witnessed rampant vote buying attempts, saying Putin has attempted to buy 300k no votes.
Anyway it's going to absolute wire, No vote (with Putins vote buying still ahead by a whisker bit with 1.4 million votes counted and 96% its just 35k votes in it and most of those left are overseas who are breaking 75-25 towards Yes to join EU.
Can follow their CEC live, its middle tab "Rezultate Prelimiere Referendum" for live EU referendum results. Hopefully Putin has blown millions, tried to rig it and still fails
What was our outcome? 52% to 48% - this one looks even closer.
Now wondering if the leave (for us) was won with a bit of Russian persuasion?
