Swanny was having a dig at England fans and how we think our players (like Owen) are great and would win us the world cup, when actually the players aren't that good.
A player having belief in himself and his team is not really relevant to that.
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Swanny was having a dig at England fans and how we think our players (like Owen) are great and would win us the world cup, when actually the players aren't that good.
A player having belief in himself and his team is not really relevant to that.
Self belief, and saying you deserve to win a trophy are two very different propositions.
Sure, but it's still not what was being discussed
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another way to look at it is.....because we won our 1st match and Denmark only drew, a draw between us and Denmark meant they would have to win to top the group whereas we only needed a draw. It was always in our hands, so respectfully, I think you are simply wrong
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who would you say were better strikers at International level, in Europe around the same time, say, the mid 00's ?
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A bit like Scottish fans with us
kojak
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You'd think Germany's main rivals would be Russia
For historical reasons
Berlin and all that
Justice
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It’s only English saddo’s who have to keep referring back to the World Wars.
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Tongue in cheek surely
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You highlighted that 2010 tournament. Whilst the exit against Germany wasn't good, we didn't lose a group game in it and qualified.
Compare that with the previous 2008 tournament with an English manager in McClaren in which we weren't even good enough to get there.
And then compare that shambles with the previous 3 tournaments in which we reached the QF stage under a foreign manager in Eriksson.
In the original post, I mentioned that I'd excluded caretaker managers and one hit wonders like Allardyce as it wouldn't be a fair comparison with one game managers or one game players like Nugent and Jeffers. As for bringing boxing into the conversation, I'm not sure that's helpful at all as there are so many other factors involved like weight categories, etc.
I'm no more a stats man than is needed to argue against what I consider to be falsehoods based on subjective opinions rather than data.
So having shown you the evidence that the only 2 previous foreign managers in Eriksson and Capello were much more successful both with tournament progression and win percentage respectively during those 2 decades than their English equivalent, would you consider revising your belief that the foreign manager experiment was a failure?
Or will you continue to consciously choose an alternate reality that doesn't allow itself to be troubled with the inconvenience of objective data?
If it's the latter, I'll admit there's probably very little else I can do to convince you.
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I wouldn't mind betting that from a Dutch point of view it has everything to do with WW2
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Possibly no idea
Going into our final game it was in our hands. Failing to win that, meant that it wasn't. Our game finished before Denmark's. If Denmark had scored, we'd have finished 2nd in our group. We couldn't have done anything about it, so at the point, it was out of our hands.
But we're going over old ground here. You thought Southgate was a great England manager, whereas most fans thought he wasn't good enough.
I think you're asking the wrong person. It's Han Solo who was saying Owen wasn't good enough.
Can’t say I’ve ever thought this.