[Albion] Thomas Tuchel **Appointed England Manager 15/10/24**

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

For me, it’s not a matter of whether Eriksson, Capello, or Tuchel are/were better coaches than the available English ones. They almost certainly are/were. And it certainly doesn’t matter that Tuchel is German. I love Germany, and like nearly all Germans I meet.

My position is that, certainly at the higher levels of football, international competition is all about comparing what your country can produce against what another country can produce. For me, this means players and lead coaches. If we don’t have better coaches in England than are found in Germany and Spain, we should be asking why that is. In fact we should have been asking that back in 2001 when we appointed Sven, and the issue should have been solved or at least massively improved long before now. But the issue wasn’t solved, and we deserve to continue with substandard English coaches until it is.

It’s permissible to have a 'foreign' coach so it’s nothing to do with breaking rules. It’s more going against the spirit of international competition, certainly as I see it anyway.

All that said, the decision has been made and we should all respect it and move on. I hope Tuchel succeeds but I also hope that something major is being worked on at the FA to improve the dire coaching situation in this country. I’m not holding my breath!

Elegantly put. Agree with 110% of that

 

[Easy 10]

Here's a FACT for you.

Of the last 39 World Cups and European Championship tournaments, 38 have been won by a manager managing his own country. The single exception was when Greece won Euro 2004 with Otto Rehhagel, a German in charge. They then went on to fail to qualify for the next World Cup, and have failed to beat a "top 6" nation in any game since then until...(checks notes)...England, last week.

I think its PATHETIC that England have (once again) brought in another ringer. Something that Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Brazil or Argentina have NEVER resorted to. Not once.

I saw an idea floated in the press today that there should be a new FIFA rule. If you've won the World Cup, you can't employ a foreign manager. If you've been the champions of your continent, you can't employ a foreign manager. If your nation has spent the last 10 years inside FIFA's top 100 (England have never been lower than 27th), then you cannot employ a foreign manager.

Leave it for the developing nations, or the Scotch, to bring in a ringer. The likes of England employing an overseas boss ? EMBARRASING.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Here's a FACT for you.

Of the last 39 World Cups and European Championship tournaments, 38 have been won by a manager managing his own country. The single exception was when Greece won Euro 2004 with Otto Rehhagel, a German in charge. They then went on to fail to qualify for the next World Cup, and have failed to beat a "top 6" nation in any game since then until...(checks notes)...England, last week.

This sounds like an outstanding argument for a) having a German manager, and b) not having an English manager.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I think Frank Lampard would have been a good choice.

I'd genuinely rather see England managed by a tea cosy. Mainly because I just don't like him, but also because we'd have to put up with people claiming he's really intelligent because "he's got some GCSEs".

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Elegantly put. Agree with 110% of that

110% ….. you are going to hell for that

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

As per the video posted above, Howe wasn’t even spoken to.

We all know how it works, his agent/club would have been sounded out before being asked for an interview.

More importantly Neville knows how it works and is being fake outraged

So you think he would be as annoyed if it was Pep? No

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I'm not at all outraged by it, but I think the manager should be English.

I think Frank Lampard would have been a good choice. International management is not a heavy tactical game. The managers don't have players long enough. Many have succeeded without impressive CVs. The current Argentine and Spanish managers are the finest examples.

A manager needs to be liked with the players, know the best line up and whether they will work together, and be able to set out a simple game plan that works for them. I was more than happy that Lampard was capable of doing that. I can't see how Tuchel would be any better. Anyway, he's here, and I wish him all the best.

Frank Lampard? I think he did well at Everton given what was going on at the time.... but come on.

Tuchel took Lampards struggling side and won the CL so there is proof at club level at least he's a better manager.

 

[Randy McNob]

For me, it’s not a matter of whether Eriksson, Capello, or Tuchel are/were better coaches than the available English ones. They almost certainly are/were. And it certainly doesn’t matter that Tuchel is German. I love Germany, and like nearly all Germans I meet.

My position is that, certainly at the higher levels of football, international competition is all about comparing what your country can produce against what another country can produce. For me, this means players and lead coaches. If we don’t have better coaches in England than are found in Germany and Spain, we should be asking why that is. In fact we should have been asking that back in 2001 when we appointed Sven, and the issue should have been solved or at least massively improved long before now. But the issue wasn’t solved, and we deserve to continue with substandard English coaches until it is.

It’s permissible to have a 'foreign' coach so it’s nothing to do with breaking rules. It’s more going against the spirit of international competition, certainly as I see it anyway.

All that said, the decision has been made and we should all respect it and move on. I hope Tuchel succeeds but I also hope that something major is being worked on at the FA to improve the dire coaching situation in this country. I’m not holding my breath!

I agree with nearly all of this, I just have issues with the first 2 Foreign managers looking back at what they brought to the table. If I recall, when Keegan threw the towel in and said he wasn't up to it, the FA felt we were tactically naive, technically deficient and falling behind on the international stage so went for a foreign boss to change that. The metric was whenever we faced a top nation in the knock phase of a tourament we always came up short. Eriksen did not fulfill that brief as that never changed (2002 - Brazil / 2004 - Portugal / 2006 - Portugal). If anything he took us backwards, the margins are even finer in International football and I could list many errors/gaffes that were the difference in winning and losing i.e. Shoehorning Beckham / pushing Scholes out to the left (and into retirement), picking Walcott who never played a minute for his club (and not even playing him), Gerrard/Lampard in a flat 4-4-2 never worked and he never changed it /picking injured players - Rooney 2006 (wound up/sent off) / bringing on Carragher to take a penalty (who then missed) etc etc. I challenge you to name 1 positive to counter balance this (i'll wait). As for Crapello, he wasn't cut out for this role, he didn't tick any box, he hadn't managed at International level, hadn't managed in England, couldn't speak English, and so the inevitable train crash ensued with the keystone cops display v Algeria folowed by the Germany 1-4 humiliation. The only man to break the cycle was Southgate who made us respectable on the big stage and a team to be feared. I have nothing them personally it's the FA I blame as they rarely pick the right person, they were lucky with Southgate and is why on this basis I think Tuchel will also be a massive failure, as the FA's track record is abysmal

 

[Titanic]

Happy to be fixtured.... I haven't read the whole thread... but this popped up on FB

 

[jimhigham]

So I’d held off adding anything to this particular pot until I’d had a chance to properly consider all the angles.

Having slept on this for a week… I still really don’t give a shit.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Happy to be fixtured.... I haven't read the whole thread... but this popped up on FB

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Other people in other countries (calling Han Solo) may deride us for this but I'm really not that bothered * shock horror *. It's like being bothered when people not from Brighton complain about the atmosphere, ok thanks for your input but who cares what you think?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I agree with nearly all of this, I just have issues with the first 2 Foreign managers looking back at what they brought to the table. If I recall, when Keegan threw the towel in and said he wasn't up to it, the FA felt we were tactically naive, technically deficient and falling behind on the international stage so went for a foreign boss to change that. The metric was whenever we faced a top nation in the knock phase of a tourament we always came up short. Eriksen did not fulfill that brief as that never changed (2002 - Brazil / 2004 - Portugal / 2006 - Portugal). If anything he took us backwards, the margins are even finer in International football and I could list many errors/gaffes that were the difference in winning and losing i.e. Shoehorning Beckham / pushing Scholes out to the left (and into retirement), picking Walcott who never played a minute for his club (and not even playing him), Gerrard/Lampard in a flat 4-4-2 never worked and he never changed it /picking injured players - Rooney 2006 (wound up/sent off) / bringing on Carragher to take a penalty (who then missed) etc etc. I challenge you to name 1 positive to counter balance this (i'll wait). As for Crapello, he wasn't cut out for this role, he didn't tick any box, he hadn't managed at International level, hadn't managed in England, couldn't speak English, and so the inevitable train crash ensued with the keystone cops display v Algeria folowed by the Germany 1-4 humiliation. The only man to break the cycle was Southgate who made us respectable on the big stage and a team to be feared. I have nothing them personally it's the FA I blame as they rarely pick the right person, they were lucky with Southgate and is why on this basis I think Tuchel will also be a massive failure, as the FA's track record is abysmal

Southgate feared? Really? Predictable … he made us predictable.

 

[Randy McNob]

Other people in other countries (calling Han Solo) may deride us for this but I'm really not that bothered * shock horror *. It's like being bothered when people not from Brighton complain about the atmosphere, ok thanks for your input but who cares what you think?

The fact that it's stuck in your head and you posted it here means you kind of do care....?

 

[hart's shirt]

So it was always likely to have been a foreign manager. And the next one might be too.

Still waiting for your answers, @Randy McNob . I can see that you've been busy posting absolute nonsense on the Kaba thread, but you probably need a break from everyone else who disagrees with you (the feeling might well be mutual...), so please feel free to do more of the same here as before. I'm happy to take one here for the NSC team. As much as we may disagree, it's much less contentious and inflammatory here than there.

From BBC Sport: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c7494rxe3l9t

Guardiola was offered the England job before Thomas Tuchel was appointed, according to football journalist and BBC sport columnist Gulllem Balague.

Pep Guardiola was actually offered the [England] job and he thought about it for two months, after two months, he said no because 'I don't even know what I'm going to do at the end of this season'.

Manchester City right now feel he’s closer to staying than leaving, but nobody really knows – what seems clear is that in the cycle from the next World Cup to the following one, he will have a national side and England are favourites.

It's 18 months that Thomas Tuchel has the job, it takes him to the World Cup. Ok, if Tuchel wins the World Cup then forget that plan.

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola consistently responded "it doesn't matter" when asked whether he was approached by the FA for the England job.

"Thomas Tuchel is the manager, forget about it," he said, speaking two days after Tuchel was announced as the new England boss. "I'm the manager of Man City, forget about it. The rest is not important."

On whether England's manager should be English, Guardiola said: "We don't decide where we're born. Mum and Dad decide that and nine months later we're here!

"I know we are proud of where we are from but the world is so big. You have to be open-minded."