[Brighton] What's your solution to Brighton's litter problem?

[Seasidesage]

We choose to underfund our education system, undermine parental and school discipline and promote the accumulation of things made cheaply and cast aside with little thought. We as a nation are responsible for this and its clear when you see other countries just how wrong we have got things over the last 30/40 years. This is our fault collectively..

 

[Leekbrookgull]

I have never really understood why we don't do this. Time off sentence for compliance and performance. Time added on for non compliance. Prisoners get out of cells and some sense of purpose. Litter gets cleared up at reduced cost.

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Hang on here,breach of human rights surely ? Well that will be the card played,as you probably already know.

 

[bhadebenhams]

Bring back the birch

That will learn them.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Ban cyclists and pedestrians. Force everyone to drive and half will give up before they get there, the other half will see the cost of parking if they can find a space, then go home. Job done.

Didn’t stop people In Bournemouth- they parked on double yellow lines, roundabouts, traffic islands, double parked, on top of other cars..... well maybe not that, but close.

 

[e77]

Nothing like an NSC arms race for punishments for minor crimes.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

We choose to underfund our education system, undermine parental and school discipline and promote the accumulation of things made cheaply and cast aside with little thought. We as a nation are responsible for this and its clear when you see other countries just how wrong we have got things over the last 30/40 years. This is our fault collectively..

I don’t personally choose to underfund education. Quite the opposite. I’d pay more tax to fund public services in general. The country gets the governments it deserves

 

[Hastings gull]

The UK has thick underclass that think the world owes them a living, won’t be told what to do, or even listen to reason, who are totally selfish and have no respect for the environment, themselves or others. It’s a very, very sad situation and needs a cultural change of attitude similar to what happened with drink driving and to a lesser extent smoking in enclosed spaces.

Yes. hard to disagree with this.

 

[zefarelly]

Bring back the birch

That will learn them.

I think the stocks would be more politically correct these days, it would also bring a welcome boost to town centre trading on a Saturday morning.

 

[Bakero]

The UK has thick underclass that think the world owes them a living, won’t be told what to do, or even listen to reason, who are totally selfish and have no respect for the environment, themselves or others. It’s a very, very sad situation and needs a cultural change of attitude similar to what happened with drink driving and to a lesser extent smoking in enclosed spaces.

We should really stop voting for governments that maintain the current state of affairs.

 

[zefarelly]

I have never really understood why we don't do this. Time off sentence for compliance and performance. Time added on for non compliance. Prisoners get out of cells and some sense of purpose. Litter gets cleared up at reduced cost.

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I wonder what the difference between a 'living wage' and 'cost of inmate' is per annum?

Not asking for a friend at all, just curious.

 

[Hastings gull]

I don’t personally choose to underfund education. Quite the opposite. I’d pay more tax to fund public services in general. The country gets the governments it deserves

Whilst I don't doubt your sincerity in wanting better funding, am I right in thinking that as a pensioner you would not be paying any more anyway? In an earlier exchange, I distinctly recall you claiming poverty. As a general point, it is quite common to see folk saying that they would be prepared to pay more, but in reality, when it comes down to it, they might just be reluctant to pay sums larger than a pittance.

 

[blue-shifted]

I have never really understood why we don't do this. Time off sentence for compliance and performance. Time added on for non compliance. Prisoners get out of cells and some sense of purpose. Litter gets cleared up at reduced cost.

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We should do this.

No need for the inmate bibs, no need to humiliate someone.

The reason why it doesn't happen, I think, is because it's way cheaper to keep people locked in a pen than it is to supervise them out of one. Money would be saved elsewhere, though the prisons budget is different from the local council's litter picking one.

There are also increased risks of offending, absconding and suicide which would need to be considered. But if I was banged up and I knew I had the chance to earn my way out with some graft in the open air, i'd definitely do it and there would be clear societal benefits

 

[zefarelly]

Probably not, but if every Brightonian was proud of their environment I'm pretty sure 'the message' would soon get across to the grockles.

Probably not, at least the gentle folk of B&H I know aren't that interested in civil war, fighting on beaches or in the streets.

It will happen though

 

[Hastings gull]

We should really stop voting for governments that maintain the current state of affairs.

so what is your solution?

 

[zefarelly]

Whilst I don't doubt your sincerity in wanting better funding, am I right in thinking that as a pensioner you would not be paying any more anyway? In an earlier exchange, I distinctly recall you claiming poverty. As a general point, it is quite common to see folk saying that they would be prepared to pay more, but in reality, when it comes down to it, they might just be reluctant to pay sums larger than a pittance.

I work with a few pensioners . . . . Yes they only work 3 or 4 days a week, have service pensions, and the poor fat slap heads complain about having to pay the upper rate of tax. . . . . There's a reason why final salary pension schemes no longer exist for the vast majority.

 

[Hastings gull]

I work with a few pensioners . . . . Yes they only work 3 or 4 days a week, have service pensions, and the poor fat slap heads complain about having to pay the upper rate of tax. . . . . There's a reason why final salary pension schemes no longer exist for the vast majority.

Yes, I am sure that some/many pensioners do indeed pay tax -as a fat slap head, I do . . . .

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Bring back the birch

That will learn them.

Yeah, wouldn't have happened under Theresa May. Oh hang on, you said birch...

 

[Bakero]

so what is your solution?

Raise taxes, invest in communities, reduce inequality.

 

[BNthree]

Most seaside resorts I’ve been to abroad seem to have more bins and more collections than Brighton does. Don’t think there is more littering here than most places but think local authorities here don’t have the money or resources to adapt to deal with inevitable human behaviours. Saying “take your litter home” doesn’t work if they aren’t local.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Sadly, too many people are just selfish scum and frankly don’t give a shit about anything or anybody else so long as they are having a good time. Hard to know how you fix that but it definitely seems to be getting worse.