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[BN9 BHA]

Being double jabbed is not a silver bullet, you are as likely to pass on covid as you were not jabbed, it means if you get it you are far less likely to get seriously ill but it is no guarantee. Sadly this is the new world now, it is here as a permanent feature of our lives. Not sure if the carefree matchday experience can ever be the same again for a lot of people that is why in reality I expect crowds to be 25000 most games and the waiting list has gone hasn't it ? It is mean't to be a fun day out but clearly for many it is wrought with worry which is understandable. The club is in a no win situation

Very good post.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Never say never, I would like to think I will go and enjoy the match.
I suppose something that I really used to look forward to is now a different experience, I have to accept this.

I think you said it yourself…you hadn’t done much socialising for 18 months and then suddenly you are with 25k others…bound to be a bit unnerving, as well as something to look forward to ..who knows what the next six months will bring

 

[LamieRobertson]

Given that people are crapping in takeaway cartons of Bournemouth beach, proudly showing flares up their arses, and voting for football mascots to be mayor I’d say “the reverse of bringing children up” is needed?

Of course no one has ever done these outrageous things ever before …so we really should have our lives controlled completely by the State…most definitely …and definitely all the people of Burnley which is a hideous place that we should all take the Micky out of ..

 

[BeHereNow]

All of what the OP has just said could’ve been said when flu and pneumonia was killing over 600 a week in 2019…but he didn’t. Strange.

If you’re worried about Covid, don’t go.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

All of what the OP has just said could’ve been said when flu and pneumonia was killing over 600 a week in 2019…but he didn’t. Strange.

If you’re worried about Covid, don’t go.

Oh right, ok, we won’t. It’s good to hear some honesty from a certain type of person.

 

[usernamed]

I have such mixed feelings over this stuff.

On one hand, the masks that most of the public are wearing do nothing to prevent Covid spread. The CDC says that for home masks to have even partial effectiveness they need to be multilayer, made of waterproof material, washed daily and with a secure fit around the perimeter of the mask. Even the fitted N95 masks used by health professionals only give partial cover, with the CDC recommending use of a respirator for healthcare workers requiring full protection.

Almost none of the masks I’ve seen out there have met even the partial cover criteria. Effectively we’re mostly wearing single layer cotton cough/sneeze guards, when the virus gets along fine via regular breath hanging in the air, which our masks do nothing to filter. We’re signalling that we’re showing willing and considerate of others, but we’re not meaningfully reducing our risk.

On the flip side of that, the mass wearing of masks may have given some people the confidence to do what they have needed to do in these difficult times. I completely understand people having fear over this virus, I fear it, and I’m double-jabbed and not in an at risk group, but our family has lost someone as a result of it. It’s real and it’s dangerous. I understand the OP’s frustration, but feel it’s misguided. The simple fact is, that if he wants to stop Covid, he’s in the wrong country.

Britain has given up on the goal of eradication, it is now pursuing herd immunity. From a science point of view it’s a dangerous approach, because it gives the virus maximum opportunity to spread and maximum test subjects for any mutations it decides to try, but it’s what our elected government have decided upon as our strategy. We’re all guinea pigs now.

I continue to wear a mask, though I’m fully aware that it’s largely a futile gesture, I don’t think anyone should kid themselves as to the efficacy of mask-wearing as practiced in the UK.


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[e77]

All of what the OP has just said could’ve been said when flu and pneumonia was killing over 600 a week in 2019…but he didn’t. Strange.

If you’re worried about Covid, don’t go.

Good point well argued. So would you agree to everyone wearing masks in public places during the peak of flu season?

 

[Mr Putdown]

Being double jabbed is not a silver bullet, you are as likely to pass on covid as you were not jabbed, it means if you get it you are far less likely to get seriously ill but it is no guarantee.

I’m not sure the highlighted part is correct, at least according to the CDC. (Key Point 4 in the link below)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

 

[Uncle Buck]

I have such mixed feelings over this stuff.

On one hand, the masks that most of the public are wearing do nothing to prevent Covid spread. The CDC says that for home masks to have even partial effectiveness they need to be multilayer, made of waterproof material, washed daily and with a secure fit around the perimeter of the mask. Even the fitted N95 masks used by health professionals only give partial cover, with the CDC recommending use of a respirator for healthcare workers requiring full protection.

Almost none of the masks I’ve seen out there have met even the partial cover criteria. Effectively we’re mostly wearing single layer cotton cough/sneeze guards, when the virus gets along fine via regular breath hanging in the air, which our masks do nothing to filter. We’re signalling that we’re showing willing and considerate of others, but we’re not meaningfully reducing our risk.

On the flip side of that, the mass wearing of masks may have given some people the confidence to do what they have needed to do in these difficult times. I completely understand people having fear over this virus, I fear it, and I’m double-jabbed and not in an at risk group, but our family has lost someone as a result of it. It’s real and it’s dangerous. I understand the OP’s frustration, but feel it’s misguided. The simple fact is, that if he wants to stop Covid, he’s in the wrong country.

Britain has given up on the goal of eradication, it is now pursuing herd immunity. From a science point of view it’s a dangerous approach, because it gives the virus maximum opportunity to spread and maximum test subjects for any mutations it decides to try, but it’s what our elected government have decided upon as our strategy. We’re all guinea pigs now.

I continue to wear a mask, though I’m fully aware that it’s largely a futile gesture, I don’t think anyone should kid themselves as to the efficacy of mask-wearing as practiced in the UK.


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The face coverings of any sort were superceded in some countries by FFP2 masks which do create a seal around the face.

The herd immunity is another misleading aspect from the junta. I think with the current variant around 98% of the total population need some level of antibodies. On the basis the UK is not looking like going much beyond 16 year olds and up with vaccine, that is not achievable. Although by letting it rip through the schools they are having a go at herd immunity!

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I’m not sure the highlighted part is correct, at least according to the CDC. (Key Point 4 in the link below)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

I thought the evidence was it made a bit of difference, not much, in any case it seems the vaccine protects for about 5-6 months so boosters will be needed and 2 covid jabs a year for the rest of our lives. So for people worried, sadly I think their worries will not go away any time soon. It is sad an Albion lifer like Tom Hark feels like this, but understandable, many others are of the same mindset. Personally I think you are more likely to catch it in your local pub, mine was rammed indoors yesterday with about 60 people in a medium size room no one wearing a mask than an open air stadium like the Amex, even in the concourses

 

[dsr-burnley]

Britain has given up on the goal of eradication, it is now pursuing herd immunity. From a science point of view it’s a dangerous approach, because it gives the virus maximum opportunity to spread and maximum test subjects for any mutations it decides to try, but it’s what our elected government have decided upon as our strategy. We’re all guinea pigs now.

It's a dangerous approach? As opposed to what? There is no "safe" approach. Obviously we could go back to a goal of total eradication, but that must mean far stricter lockdowns and for longer than we have had so far. And as the evidence from Australia and New Zealand suggests, it doesn't work in even the most favourable of circumstances so it wouldn't work here.

I thnik Britain is pursuing safety by vaccinataion, rather than herd immunity. I think the scientific opinion is swinging towards the idea that delta variant is just too contagious for herd immunity to eradicate it, so they're now focussed on the idea of providing vaccination and treatment that makes the dangers bearable to society as a whole. Herd immunity is obviously best, of course, but minimising the disease's effects is next best if eradication doesn't work.

Could you suggest a non-dangerous approach?

 

[dsr-burnley]

I thought the evidence was it made a bit of difference, not much, in any case it seems the vaccine protects for about 5-6 months so boosters will be needed and 2 covid jabs a year for the rest of our lives. So for people worried, sadly I think their worries will not go away any time soon. It is sad an Albion lifer like Tom Hark feels like this, but understandable, many others are of the same mindset. Personally I think you are more likely to catch it in your local pub, mine was rammed indoors yesterday with about 60 people in a medium size room no one wearing a mask than an open air stadium like the Amex, even in the concourses

I don't think there is much evidence that the vaccine only lasts 5-6 months. If it did, then the number of deaths among over-80s (mostly vaccinated 5+ months ago) would be going through the roof. I think the evidence is that it starts to lose some of its effectiveness after about 6 months, which is a bit different.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I thought the evidence was it made a bit of difference, not much, in any case it seems the vaccine protects for about 5-6 months so boosters will be needed and 2 covid jabs a year for the rest of our lives. So for people worried, sadly I think their worries will not go away any time soon. It is sad an Albion lifer like Tom Hark feels like this, but understandable, many others are of the same mindset. Personally I think you are more likely to catch it in your local pub, mine was rammed indoors yesterday with about 60 people in a medium size room no one wearing a mask than an open air stadium like the Amex, even in the concourses

I agree the pub is less safe. We are still only sitting outside at pubs and go when it is quiet. Football can be safe. I think it’s just a bit frustrating that anti social attitudes and lack of enforcement bring it all into question. I was very positive about the measures announced by the club pre Watford but am beginning to think they are just pandering to the least desirable elements in society, which is a shame.

 

[Uncle Buck]

I don't think there is much evidence that the vaccine only lasts 5-6 months. If it did, then the number of deaths among over-80s (mostly vaccinated 5+ months ago) would be going through the roof. I think the evidence is that it starts to lose some of its effectiveness after about 6 months, which is a bit different.

The evidence coming out of Israel is it wanes after time, which is why they are pushing ahead with a booster campaign.

 

[Mr Putdown]

The evidence coming out of Israel is it wanes after time, which is why they are pushing ahead with a booster campaign.

But not after 5-6 months as someone suggested.

“ On 1 April, Pfizer and BioNTech confirmed that immunity from their RNA vaccine is still going strong (91.3% effective) six months after the second dose. Similarly, evidence for the Moderna vaccine shows 94% effectiveness six months following the second dose. This six month marker is an important milestone and both manufacturers will continue to monitor the effectiveness of their vaccines as the months roll by.”

 

[dsr-burnley]

The evidence coming out of Israel is it wanes after time, which is why they are pushing ahead with a booster campaign.

That's what I said. It wanes, it doesn't stop working. Bear in mind as well that the position is complicated by there being two different types of vaccine, and both were prepared against a slightly different strain of the virus.

 

[Wardy's twin]

You don't know. Just as you don't know who suffers irrational anxiety about covid to the extent that they won't enter an otherwise-empty shop if a single person is unmasked. The point is that not everything in life should be covid-related. There are other considerations.

All anxiety is 'irrational' to everyone not suffering from it, surprised you have told me to 'man up'.

People with certain mental health issues will fear COVID its the nature of mental illness its not right or wrong it's how it is

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

All anxiety is 'irrational' to everyone not suffering from it, surprised you have told me to 'man up'.

People with certain mental health issues will fear COVID its the nature of mental illness its not right or wrong it's how it is

Yes, although it’s not a mental health condition as is being implied by a couple of posters. People with perfectly rational concerns about their physical health would just like a bit of consideration so odds of catching Covid are reduced (not eliminated). Otherwise there is a section of the fanbase being forced out by the ‘I’m all right Jack,’ ‘don’t infringe my rights’ brigade.

 

[dsr-burnley]

All anxiety is 'irrational' to everyone not suffering from it, surprised you have told me to 'man up'.

People with certain mental health issues will fear COVID its the nature of mental illness its not right or wrong it's how it is

I didn't tell you to man up. I commented about an old lady whose fears of covid appear to be so strong as to be irrational. Nothing to do with mental health, yours or anyone else's.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Yes, although it’s not a mental health condition as is being implied by a couple of posters. People with perfectly rational concerns about their physical health would just like a bit of consideration so odds of catching Covid are reduced (not eliminated). Otherwise there is a section of the fanbase being forced out by the ‘I’m all right Jack,’ ‘don’t infringe my rights’ brigade.

Fear of covid per se isn't irrational. Where it risks becoming irrational is in, for example, closing schools because of the fear a child might die of coronavirus while keeping them open when flu is about, or (as the OP to this thread) putting himself in a situation where the risk of catching it is (random number) 3% and then complaining that other peoples' actions have made it (another random number) 3.1%. The additional danger caused by choosing to go to the match and spending time in the concourse other than absolute necessities, is far higher than the additional risk caused by other people not wearing cheap disposable masks.