Pride - who will it be ?

[Buzzer]

So you believe people are born ghey? So a man who has been married lets say 15 years and has three children decides at 40 that he might be gay? Not when he is alot younger but much later in life.Sorry i don't believe you are born gay.Maybe i'm wrong who knows

I don't know either, mate. I really don't. I don't understand how a man can prefer other men when women are the ones with the boobs but hey ho, more for me.

I don't get how people can like golf, eat tomato soup, listen to RnB or vote Labour.

Nowt so queer as folk, eh?

 

[blue'n'white]

Do I think the soldiers who fought and dies for Britain would appreciate members of the British public standing up and spouting far right views? No, I don't.

Do I think they would be utterly ashamed that members of the public in this country openly discriminate against whole groups of people, be it Muslims, homosexuals or any other group? Yes, I really think they would.

Which of the above do you disagree with?

Well actually I think that the vast majority of men who fought in the war or who are, indeed, fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan now are doing it because it's a job. In the Second World War they did it because they were conscripted to do it. There was no thinking involved. I doubt that someone goes into the army because he wants to stop Al Qaeda or wanted to stop Hitler. They went cos they were told to back then and now, well it's a reasonable job with decent pay (and you get told what to do which some people like and can function with better than making up their own minds about what they want). Most of the Germans who fought in the Second World War weren't died in the wool Nazis - they were just Germans.

 

[coventrygull]

Sorry, what? Even if I'm managed to translate that correctly in my head, the post you've picked up on was my copying of algie's anti-Islam eradication post - which was used to demonstrate the hypocrisy of his argument. So what's your point?

And if WWII wasn't about freedom, what was it about? If it was just to save Britain, why did we fight all over the world? Why did the American's get involved in Europe, Germany wasn't going to invade them?

My point is that world war 2 was not just about freedom or else we wouldn't have allied ourselves to the mass murderer Stalin. The British had an empire and the american blacks were hardly treated well in the states. The war was also about global domination and economics.

 

[DTES]

bnw, you may well be right. In fact I'm pretty sure the job argument is true for a damn lot of them. But, IMHO, I don't think that changes the point.

Regardless of why they enlisted, I still think they'd be disappointed, even ashamed that 60 years later there are, in Britain, far right groups spouting rubbish like algie and co.

 

[Diatribe]

You LOVE the drama doncha princess!

I don't SAY you can't or shouldn't be boffing behind closed doors if that's your sexual perversion.
I DO say gays should NOT be marrying, adopting, or doing sexual acts in public.
You just want to leap to your dramatic conclusions and put me in 'the far right' or whatever 'closet' suits YOU.

Why shouldn't they 'marry'?

The others I can sort of understand even if I don't agree with, but what is wrong with civil partnerships?

 

[algie]

Stop dodging the question. It's a nice attempt, but birth hasn't been mentioned until now.

Myself, MYOB and Buzzer have all pointed out that your argument that homosexual rape happens implying anything about homosexuals is nonsense, and pointed out about heterosexual rape. Aren't you going to offer any argument, or even state what you think about it?

I'm off to bed my friend.Perhaps i'm dodging the question on purpose
I have my own reasons for it and i'll keep that to myself.Anyway i quite enjoy talking to you as you get turn nasty and come out with all the usual bigot crap even if we do have completly different views.No matter what people post i personally won't change my views.Good night

 

[coventrygull]

bnw, you may well be right. In fact I'm pretty sure the job argument is true for a damn lot of them. But, IMHO, I don't think that changes the point.

Regardless of why they enlisted, I still think they'd be disappointed, even ashamed that 60 years later there are, in Britain, far right groups spouting rubbish like algie and co.

But the far right groups in Britain like the BNP support democracy. They are not a Nazi organisation. So why should they be ashamed

 

[Cian]

I'm off to bed my friend.Perhaps i'm dodging the question on purpose
I have my own reasons for it and i'll keep that to myself.Anyway i quite enjoy talking to you as you get turn nasty and come out with all the usual bigot crap even if we do have completly different views.No matter what people post i personally won't change my views.Good night

The "bigot crap" as you call it will only come up if you continue pushing your hateful views in the public domain. Keep them as thoughts and not actions or words and it won't come up.

 

[DTES]

My point is that world war 2 was not just about freedom or else we wouldn't have allied ourselves to the mass murderer Stalin. The British had an empire and the american blacks were hardly treated well in the states. The war was also about global domination and economics.

If the war was about global domination, why did anyone stop? Why didn't the allies just keep going, and invade the rest of the world while we were at it?

 

[coventrygull]

If the war was about global domination, why did anyone stop? Why didn't the allies just keep going, and invade the rest of the world while we were at it?

Because off a certain atomic bomb. Hence the cold war. The whole thing reached a stalemate and of course Britain as a world power was one of the biggest losers.Lets not forget we have just finished of paying our debts to the US for their help

 

[algie]

The "bigot crap" as you call it will only come up if you continue pushing your hateful views in the public domain. Keep them as thoughts and not actions or words and it won't come up.

Get it into your thick head.I don't push or spread my hate.I only discuss what i believe in.The fact is you don't like it.Tough get use to it.I don't call you names etc so why insult others? Go to bed and think about that.

 

[Cian]

Get it into your thick head.I don't push or spread my hate.I only discuss what i believe in.The fact is you don't like it.Tough get use to it.I don't call you names etc so why insult others? Go to bed and think about that.

This entire thread is you pushing your hate, and nothing close to "discussing".

I prefer not to think about BNP members when I'm in bed, its rather off-putting.

 

[British Bulldog]

Dunno about you lot but the old boys i've spoken to who fought in the 2nd world war dont seem to impressed with the way things are these days. We can argue the toss as much as we like but i'd rather take the word of the people who were there.

 

[The Large One]

Undeniable true



Rarely happens, but it would be a case of repressing that he was gay earlier. There's no "deciding"



You are, and the entire scientific community knows. You might have taken the fact that it happens in species which are, as far as we know, incapable of concious thought as proof that its from nature, not anything else.

If I read this right (and to be honest I'm not sure), you are defending, nay promoting the notion that people are born gay?

Sorry, mate, but that's BOLLOCKS.

Sexuality is a learned process, sometimes from very early on, and taken from experience (directly or indirectly) from a whole host of sources, from playground banter to seeing porn to (unfortunately for some people) physically experiencing at a young age, and all points inbetween. From there, we learn and (in most cases) understand our sexual orientation. Whether society any given person lives in allows us the freedom to express that sexuality depends on the context.

There is no direct scientific evidence to support the notion that sexual orientation is genetic. Or rather, if there is, it is very far from even remotely conclusive.

If I've read you wrong, however, I'm sorry.

 

[DTES]

I think you are right Large One, in that there has been evidence supporting the theory, but it is not conclusive. But I don't at all believe that it is a choice either, not on anywhere near a conscious level.

I do disagree with the claims above that a man can suddenly "decide" to be gay, it is just not true.

 

[DTES]

Because off a certain atomic bomb. Hence the cold war. The whole thing reached a stalemate

Fair enough. A case of agreeing to disagree here - I personally believe that the defeat of the genocidal Nazis was the reason - and to be honest I can't see either of us convincing the other.

It's just the "freedom" argument being used to support far-right views that drives me mad though, to be honest. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

And BB - you may well be right, many of those who were there probably aren't happy with Britain right now. But at the same time, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't appreciate, as I've said many times above, their battles being used to justify far-right political views. If those you've spoken with disagree with that, then fair play...

 

[The Large One]

I think you are right Large One, in that there has been evidence supporting the theory, but it is not conclusive. But I don't at all believe that it is a choice either, not on anywhere near a conscious level.

I do disagree with the claims above that a man can suddenly "decide" to be gay, it is just not true.

I don't believe it's an active conscious choice either. It's not as though anyone comfortable with their sexuality (at least in our society) has ever had to justify it to themselves. Some might feel they have to justify their homosexuality to others, mainly because, as we have seen with the nature of some posts on here, there are some who find the whole concept of homosexuality a largely negative issue.

However, to themselves, some people are gay and just accept it and get on with it. Others, however, feel th need to repress this notion within themselves - even though acknowledge it to themselves ("I am gay, and I don't like it..." etc), and this is usually because of their societal circumstances, the reasons for which, again, can be many and varied.

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

Have you ever heard of bi-sexual men?

ive heard of the '6 million dollar man'

 

[Dover]

If I read this right (and to be honest I'm not sure), you are defending, nay promoting the notion that people are born gay?

Sorry, mate, but that's BOLLOCKS.

Sexuality is a learned process, sometimes from very early on, and taken from experience (directly or indirectly) from a whole host of sources, from playground banter to seeing porn to (unfortunately for some people) physically experiencing at a young age, and all points inbetween. From there, we learn and (in most cases) understand our sexual orientation. Whether society any given person lives in allows us the freedom to express that sexuality depends on the context.

There is no direct scientific evidence to support the notion that sexual orientation is genetic. Or rather, if there is, it is very far from even remotely conclusive.

If I've read you wrong, however, I'm sorry.

Sorry big fella, but trust me on this one you are way, way out of line.

 

[Cian]

If I read this right (and to be honest I'm not sure), you are defending, nay promoting the notion that people are born gay?

Sorry, mate, but that's BOLLOCKS.

Yes, because its not a notion that can be "promoted".

As I've said, it exist in species that we believe don't have concious thought. there's more than enough evidence to show there's no "choice" to it. I never said it was genetic, however; although your post seems to suggest I did...

I don't believe it's an active conscious choice either. It's not as though anyone comfortable with their sexuality (at least in our society) has ever had to justify it to themselves. Some might feel they have to justify their homosexuality to others, mainly because, as we have seen with the nature of some posts on here, there are some who find the whole concept of homosexuality a largely negative issue.

While people like NMH and algie continue to exist in the world, people are going to have to "justify" the legitimacy of homosexuality to their little troglodyte brains.