Absolutely 100% spot on.
What's spot on about it? Who is taking umbrage with moderate Muslims?
Absolutely 100% spot on.
I have a degree in history so dont try and be a clever clogs.Even if the British had in 1947 left India as one country there would of been a massive civil war and even more bloodshed.Of course Neru and Gandhi wanted to keep India as one as the hindus would of been running the country.
What's spot on about it? Who is taking umbrage with moderate Muslims?
Stings you left wing bigots doesn't it, when someone exposes you for what you are?
Pretty sure the low IQ right wing chavs in both towns see things pretty much the same actually.
Bushy, the problem isn't a mix of groups because the majority DO integrate and embrace multiple cultures. The issue is individuals, of which there are some from both sides who refuse to work together.
White racists are just as much of a problem as piss taking, knobbish members of the minorities. Multiculturalism and integration has worked, evident by the fact many children of the generation above mine, and the children my generation will have are able to look at people and individuals not as a group but as members with a few shared values. If multiculturalism had failed, then up and down the country racism in schools would be far more rife than it is.
Granted it is still a massive issue and one that comes from both sides but to say that it is the same as it was when my parents were in school is not true. The attitudes of this country towards members of Islam are changing for the better and the attitudes Muslims hold towards us is changing, for the better.
I think Martin Luther King Jnr hit the nail on the head, his dream wasn't to see his generation integrated but the children. Your values have been instilled Bushy as per your generation. You hold those values because of how you've been brought up, and how you've seen the world with those values. You are still in a minority with those values but there are far more people with your mind set in your generation than in my generation.
Multiculturalism or not there will always be crime, discrimination, people taking the piss. What I think those who have been brought up more recently are able to do however is not look at it as a Muslim person taking the system for a ride, its an individual taking the system for a ride who happens to be Muslim and is no different to a white person doing it. Both are individuals, both have done wrong.
Multiculturalism and integration has succeeded when that is how we look at people IMO.
Pretty much think you are probably living in a bubble.
Tom Hark is just an arrogant, ignorant clever-sides, who needs to have someone to look down on. There are millions like him in this country; several dozen on this board. They're very like the "low IQ right-wing chavs" they are so keen to condemn. Both groups need a "them" they can feel superior to.
“Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream,” Cameron said during a panel discussion attended by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. “We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong.”
He said the “hands-off tolerance” in Britain and other European nations has encouraged Muslims and other immigrant groups “to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream.”
has anyone actually read the speech? i ask because i cant find a raw copy, unadulterated by the paper of your choice's political slant on what was said.
the best bit i can find is this from MSNBC (deliberatly chosen to be less left/right that the likes of the Guardian or Mail):
what exactly is wrong with that? how is that racist? surely the point is there hasnt been enough integration, not that there should be none and no more non-anglo saxons please.
seems to me lots of people wnat to make a left/right fuss over this, rather than address the question, why are minority cultures ghettoised within the country and how is integration ever happen while this happens?
That's a surprisingly sensible post.
Totally agree. That headline WAS completely idiotic and designed to create trouble. Whatever possessed David Cameron to come up wth it?
don't let facts get in the way of your leftist anti-Tory views.
Yep, I think you've just proved my point about your own sense of superiority. Think I'll ignore you from now on.
That's a pity as I was just about to reply to your previous post. I'm sorry if my insults seem snooty to you. While I may find some of your comments strange and disagree with them, you don't seem an unreasonable fellow to me. If I give off an air of feeling superior I apologise; and no you aren't in the"several dozen". Beorthelm's post seems eminently sensible to me, and my surprise is because his signature wouldn't lead me to expect such. My annoyance with Tom Hark and others is their twisting of the truth. Their condemnation of Cameron is as if he'd repeated Powell's Rivers of Blood speech word for word, not used the moderate words he did.
Anyway, I'm off for my lunch and may you enjoy yours.
Tom Hark is just an arrogant, ignorant clever-sides, who needs to have someone to look down on. There are millions like him in this country; several dozen on this board. They're very like the "low IQ right-wing chavs" they are so keen to condemn. Both groups need a "them" they can feel superior to.