'Multiculturalism has failed' - Is This Bloke Fit To Be PM?

[glasfryn]

Their condemnation of Cameron is as if he'd repeated Powell's Rivers of Blood speech word for word, not used the moderate words he did.

he only used moderate words for fear of losing the Immigrant vote he might be a little silly and nieve but he is not completely stupid +he most probably had someone write the speech for him.
Enoch Powell was one of the most horrible of any of the tories .......but it looks like he might just be a little right is it one of those self perpetuating prophesies we hear about or just someone winding up the British public including all those Immigrants who truly do love this country along with those in that group who are fanatics

 

[bhaexpress]

To be fair to trhe man I might not agree entirely but there is a lot in what he says.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream."

What evidence has Cameron got of this? It is pure myth-making.

 

[Dandyman]

has anyone actually read the speech? i ask because i cant find a raw copy, unadulterated by the paper of your choice's political slant on what was said.

the best bit i can find is this from MSNBC (deliberatly chosen to be less left/right that the likes of the Guardian or Mail):


what exactly is wrong with that? how is that racist? surely the point is there hasnt been enough integration, not that there should be none and no more non-anglo saxons please. some of the critiism seems to be that he made his speech on the day EDL was having a march - are we now to only speak on the subject when its not clashing with their timetable. doesnt that give them just a little bit too much status and credibility, to think that the PM should adjust his comments or timing according to them?

seems to me lots of people wnat to make a left/right fuss over this, rather than address the question, why are minority cultures ghettoised within the country and how is integration ever happen while this happens?[/QUO

Most people are all in favour of integration but do you not think someone who went to prep school, Eton and Oxford, was a multimillionaire at birth and lived most of his life in a bubble of wealth and privilege is exactly an example of living a separate life apart form the mainstream ?

 

[beorhthelm]

Most people are all in favour of integration but do you not think someone who went to prep school, Eton and Oxford, was a multimillionaire at birth and lived most of his life in a bubble of wealth and privilege is exactly an example of living a separate life apart form the mainstream ?

yes, that is an example of living apart from the mainstream. does any of that have to do with the multicultralism issue though? so no one who's wealthy, been to a good school and top university can discuss the subject? well thats over half the politicans, Labour, Tory and Liberal alike that are excluded. this is exactly the crap im pointing to, no critique of the subject and content, just attack the man.

and ta Goldston_rapper for the transcript. i wonder if people didnt know the speaker if they'd disagree with any of it, it doesnt really say much that hasnt been said and worried over before.

 

[The Spanish]

I hope you're not including me in the "several dozen", my political views are very individual and can't be pigeon-holed.

several dozen arrogant clever sides? Dunno if that statement is the best way to get yourself off that list to be honest.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

'Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism.'

What a waste of oxygen.

 

[The Spanish]

If multiculturalism has failed in this country one must blame human instinct. Peoples of different religious faith, beliefs and cultural backgrounds tent to mix and socialise with there own, the expat community in Spain for instance or any foreign community living in another country. Single faith schools must also be blamed. Is there any country in the world where multiculturalism has worked? I think not. To blame DC for stating the Bleeding obvious seems somewhat blinkered.

trying to counter human instinct is the social engineering branch of the lefts stock in trade they are still waiting for a breakthrough but their arrogant battle with nature is not lost yet!

 

[Dandyman]

yes, that is an example of living apart from the mainstream. does any of that have to do with the multicultralism issue though? so no one who's wealthy, been to a good school and top university can discuss the subject? well thats over half the politicans, Labour, Tory and Liberal alike that are excluded. this is exactly the crap im pointing to, no critique of the subject and content, just attack the man.

and ta Goldston_rapper for the transcript. i wonder if people didnt know the speaker if they'd disagree with any of it, it doesnt really say much that hasnt been said and worried over before.

It's not attacking the man, it's exactly your critique of the political class. Multiculturalism gets used as shorthand for "race" but I
's suggest most Albion fans have far more in common with other fans who happen to be Black/Asian/Muslim/Jewish or whatever than they do we the elite that still control this country.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

trying to counter human instinct is the social engineering branch of the lefts stock in trade they are still waiting for a breakthrough but their arrogant battle with nature is not lost yet!

Humans have many drives. Yes, one is an attraction to what is familiar. However, humans also have a natural drive to explore the new, the novel, the surprising. There is space for both and, I would contend, in creating an integrated society, it is healthy to have both.

I work in a children's nursery. Day by day, I see children establish a secure base with those that are familiar to them, and using that as a foundation to explore and investigate what is unfamiliar and different. Interestingly, children in their early years, for the most part, have no problems mixing and playing with others of a different race, culture or nationality. To me, it suggests that racial identity and dislike of 'other races' is learned, rather than natural.

It's slightly over-egging it to claim that a context that puts people in an environment with other people who may not share the same characteristics is anti-nature.

 

[The Spanish]

It's slightly over-egging it to claim that a context that puts people in an environment with other people who may not share the same characteristics is anti-nature.

no its over egging it to suggest i am claiming that by a long chalk.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Humans have many drives. Yes, one is an attraction to what is familiar. However, humans also have a natural drive to explore the new, the novel, the surprising. There is space for both and, I would contend, in creating an integrated society, it is healthy to have both.

I work in a children's nursery. Day by day, I see children establish a secure base with those that are familiar to them, and using that as a foundation to explore and investigate what is unfamiliar and different. Interestingly, children in their early years, for the most part, have no problems mixing and playing with others of a different race, culture or nationality. To me, it suggests that racial identity and dislike of 'other races' is learned, rather than natural.

It's slightly over-egging it to claim that a context that puts people in an environment with other people who may not share the same characteristics is anti-nature.

Um, can we just put you down as a 'Dont Know'?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

no its over egging it to suggest i am claiming that by a long chalk.

From how I've read it, Public School Boy appears to be suggesting that multiculturalism is doomed as it tries to get people of one race or ethnicity to mix to mix with people of other races or ethnicities. For him, this is doomed to fail as people are naturally drawn to mix with their own, and he cites several examples. He then reasons that multiculturalism is anti-human nature. To which, you seem to be agreeing, and cite it as social engineering of the left. How is that not a fair summary of your viewpoint?

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

Um, can we just put you down as a 'Dont Know'?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

 

[The Spanish]

From how I've read it, Public School Boy appears to be suggesting that multiculturalism is doomed as it tries to get people of one race or ethnicity to mix to mix with people of other races or ethnicities. For him, this is doomed to fail as people are naturally drawn to mix with their own, and he cites several examples. He then reasons that multiculturalism is anti-human nature. To which, you seem to be agreeing, and cite it as social engineering of the left. How is that not a fair summary of your viewpoint?

my view is that multiculturalism is as much a cop out coping mechanism for a transitional period after immigration as a long term policy.

people on a micro level get along very well thank you very much for the most part. its when blocs start to form, previously multicultural areas start to emerge as monocultural, that it starts to cause issues. its all very well citing primary schools or a work environment as cast iron proof that questioning the wisdom of emperors new clothes bollocks trotted out by idealists and people who just want to keep the lid on things with their fingers crossed, but history proves that moving large numbers of people into a host community can store problems for later generations. Cyprus and Ireland spring to mind off the top of my head there are dozens more.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Short answer: no. And on the day the EDL are marching on Luton, too.

That's just outright irresponsible.

4-5K turn out for the EDL in Luton .

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It hasn't worked though. All that's happened is that small pockets of each culture have popped up and created mini-Parkistans, mini-Iraqs etc etc. Integration is what is required not multiculturalism.

i've said that all along ................ keep up at the back !

 

[Hungry Joe]

several dozen arrogant clever sides? Dunno if that statement is the best way to get yourself off that list to be honest.

Aaaahhhh, you've got a list with me on it, how sweet.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

my view is that multiculturalism is as much a cop out coping mechanism for a transitional period after immigration as a long term policy.

people on a micro level get along very well thank you very much for the most part. its when blocs start to form, previously multicultural areas start to emerge as monocultural, that it starts to cause issues. its all very well citing primary schools or a work environment as cast iron proof that questioning the wisdom of emperors new clothes bollocks trotted out by idealists and people who just want to keep the lid on things with their fingers crossed, but history proves that moving large numbers of people into a host community can store problems for later generations. Cyprus and Ireland spring to mind off the top of my head there are dozens more.

Got it. I think. So you have a concern that immigrants are mixing with their own and not mixing with those who don't share their identity? And that you see the potential for trouble in lots of different monocultures on one island.....