Yes, because we all know how much passion the USA and India have for football.
Maybe you should spend less time trying to belittle your elders and more time trying to PAY ATTENTION.
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Maybe you should spend less time trying to belittle your elders and more time trying to PAY ATTENTION.
Yes, because we all know how much passion the USA and India have for football.
Maybe you should spend less time trying to belittle your elders and more time trying to PAY ATTENTION.
What are you on about?!
Every kid in USA plays soccer! They're mental about it there.
When I visited India, there were FAR more kids playing football than Cricket. Thousands and thousands in the street every day.
Keep up old man.
The US is weird in this respect though. Whilst it is a huge participation sport, they dont give a flying fig about watching it. I see US football more as a pastime than a sport.
If I'm being really picky, which I am, I'd say losing on pens in the semi-finals in 1996 was fairly close.
I'm well up to speed thanks. I didn't talk about playing levels, I talked about PASSION for the game. There is passion for the game in these countries but it doesn't come close to matching our own. That's why MLS TV audiences are miniscule and their season is played through the summer, when only baseball competes.
India is a very diverse country and I understand that pockets of the country are into football, but it is not a nationwide passion that compares to cricket. In any case, India does NOT have the infrastructure (resources) that we have to compete at the very highest level, which is why they are battered in nearly every sport. Even in cricket, it's taken them decades to become world beaters in the national sport of a country with a population 20 times bigger than our own.
By contrast to both countries, the UK is one of the largest economies in the world, England is passionate about the game and plays host to one of the best four leagues in the world - sometimes considered *the* very best.
Are you going to seriously argue against any of this?
Good call. I forgot about that one.
On the other hand, what has been our best performance for a tournament abroad? Quarter-final? Not very good is it?
Edit: Honours won by England:
FIFA World Cup:
Winners; 1966 (every single game played at Wembley!)
Fourth place; 1990
UEFA European Football Championship:
Third place: 1968
Semi-finals: 1996 (every single game played at Wembley!)
Awesome stuff.
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More to the point, when did England last serve up a performance to be proud of in the finals of a major competition? I don't want to see any of the "glorious failure" games nominated either
I'm won't be suprised if a large number of NSCers weren't even born for a game that covers a win to be proud of.
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I've just posted England's embarrassing honours list.More to the point, when did England last serve up a performance to be proud of in the finals of a major competition? I don't want to see any of the "glorious failure" games nominated either
I'm not actually expecting most of NSC to have even been born at the time when someone comes up with an answer...
For a proper football nation, who also happen to be a developed country with a sizeable population and professional football infrastructure which is the envy of all but a handful of nations, it is an absolute shambles, and although it is a word too often used, I think national "disgrace" is possibly not unreasonable.
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There is no doubting we have underachieved, but with a bit more luck over the years it could have been so, so much better, and like the Three Lions song we're not in it for the glory, but we will alwaya hope that one day we might just do something special, it's not like we don't produce good players.
In India Football is definitely the second sport behind Cricket. It is a HUGE sport there.
You're changing the parameters now. I took "passion" to refers to "how much people play it", which is surely indicative of passion?
Passion for football amongst your standard bloke in India probably DOES match up to over here.
And regarding infrastructure, you probably know full well that India is a massive emerging market so that comment will be null and void within 10-15 years.
To re-cap;
We should consistently be one of the best 8-10 countries in the world. We are.
Good call. I forgot about that one.
On the other hand, what has been our best performance for a tournament abroad? Quarter-final? Not very good is it?
Edit: Honours won by England:
FIFA World Cup:
Winners; 1966 (every single game played at Wembley!)
Fourth place; 1990
UEFA European Football Championship:
Third place: 1968
Semi-finals: 1996 (every single game played at Wembley!)
Awesome stuff.
1990 was the semi final and it was in Italy. We lost the 3rd/4th play off game to Italy to finish 4th!
Good call. I forgot about that one.
On the other hand, what has been our best performance for a tournament abroad? Quarter-final? Not very good is it?
Edit: Honours won by England:
FIFA World Cup:
Winners; 1966 (every single game played at Wembley!)
Fourth place; 1990
UEFA European Football Championship:
Third place: 1968
Semi-finals: 1996 (every single game played at Wembley!)
Awesome stuff.
Sim, this is normally my job
We dont produce many do we?
More to the point, when did England last serve up a performance to be proud of in the finals of a major competition? I don't want to see any of the "glorious failure" games nominated either
I'm won't be suprised if a large number of NSCers weren't even born for a game that covers a win to be proud of.
4-1 v Holland England Euro 96. One of the best displays I have seen from any team anywhere
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Only on Sven's watch
Icy Gull
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Define "good".
Pretty much every other country in the WORLD would say we do. But you'd rather believe the tabloids I suppose.
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Just goes to show what a celebrity obsessed nation we live in now. He's known by many to be more famous for his off the field antics because he married a spice girl and then did the dirty on her than for what he does on it.
Prime example of this was in the Metro today. Article about Charlotte Church where it referred to Gavin Henson as Strictly Come Dancing star! It failed to mention that he is actually an international rugby player.