When will it time to start worrying about Russia?

[Czechmate]

And the BBC is British state TV - probably find they're more similar than we would like to believe.

Totally agree with you , Al Jazeera seems a good source of neutral news at the moment , unless it is about Egypt of course .

 

[symyjym]

But most of us agree that Bush and Blair's actions were not justified, so using that as your base is not a good start. And I don't see many of use saying the deaths involved were collateral damage.

I think Blair and Bush should face trial for war crimes, so again, not a great comparison.

Yes I agree they should for invading a soveriegn country under dubious claims.

Assad on the other hand is just defending his country, Shias, Christians and his Alawite people against ISIS, Al-Nusra and multiple Sunni rebel factions. If you or I was in his position we would have done the same.

When push comes to shove against ISIS it is only the Syrian army, the Kurds, Hezbollah and Iran who have got boots on the ground to take them on. A decimated Syrian army doesn’t help to defeat ISIS.

 

[Triggaaar]

Assad on the other hand is just defending his country, Shias, Christians and his Alawite people against ISIS, Al-Nusra and multiple Sunni rebel factions. If you or I was in his position we would have done the same.

Really? We must have very different opinions on what he's done.

 

[Creaky]

But most of us agree that Bush and Blair's actions were not justified, so using that as your base is not a good start. And I don't see many of use saying the deaths involved were collateral damage.
I think Blair and Bush should face trial for war crimes, so again, not a great comparison.

Whilst I can understand the 'moral' call for Blair to be indicted for war crimes, in financial terms a successful prosecution would bankrupt this country!

 

[symyjym]

Really? We must have very different opinions on what he's done.

Clearly

I see Assad being defensive against multiple rebel groups who are using US supplied arms and rockets, whilst also having to fight Al Nusra and ISIS.

The Sunni Saudi's and Turks want him out, but if he was Sunni he wouldn't be a problem. Simple as that and I haven't got it in me to be on the Saudi side.

 

[Triggaaar]

I haven't got it in me to be on the Saudi side.

You must be one of them bad guys then, because Saudi lead the way in human rights.

 

[symyjym]

Russian jet SHOT DOWN by Turkey after it flew into their airspace, according to reports.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...e-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Russian jet SHOT DOWN by Turkey after it flew into their airspace, according to reports.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...e-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State

Was always going to happen.

We'll have to defend Turkey if Russia try anything now.

 

[symyjym]

Was always going to happen.

We'll have to defend Turkey if Russia try anything now.

Stupid move by Turkey if true.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Stupid move by Turkey if true.

Stupid move by Russia as well.

Turkey has been warning them in the strongest terms over the last day or so about the planes flying into Turkish airspace.

 

[Driver8]

Russian jet SHOT DOWN by Turkey after it flew into their airspace, according to reports.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...e-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State

Nothing on BBC. Sounds like bollocks from the Express (no surprise there).

 

[matthew]

Do you think they're very similar?

Similar but not very similar, RT is no doubt far more partisan but both are going
to represent their countries self-interest as that's what they are for/ we expect

 

[symyjym]

Stupid move by Russia as well.

Turkey has been warning them in the strongest terms over the last day or so about the planes flying into Turkish airspace.

Two wrongs don't make a right and shooting down a Russian jet is extreme.

Assad could say the same to Turkey about using his airspace and maybe he will now. Then Russia will shoot down Turkish jets accordingly.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Knew the shit would it the fan

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Two wrongs don't make a right and shooting down a Russian jet is extreme.

Assad could say the same to Turkey about using his airspace and maybe he will now. Then Russia will shoot down Turkish jets accordingly.

So the result is any military jets can fly anywhere in the world ?

Interesting change in the concept of sovereignty, I suppose.

 

[symyjym]

Bombs kill 86 at pro-Kurdish peace rally in Turkish capital, more than 180 injured.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/10/uk-turkey-explosion-idUKKCN0S407320151010

 

[beorhthelm]

Nothing on BBC. Sounds like bollocks from the Express (no surprise there).

clearly bollocks, even from the Express article where the area of the incident is some 20-30 miles from the border.

Two wrongs don't make a right and shooting down a Russian jet is extreme.

well with in their rights if Russians stray over into their airspace. Russia doesnt need to so would only do so as a deliberate provaction.

 

[Triggaaar]

Similar but not very similar, RT is no doubt far more partisan but both are going
to represent their countries self-interest as that's what they are for/ we expect

More partisan! Russian TV can't criticise Putin or his government at all. We get plenty of criticism of our government, its decision to go to war with Iraq etc, you'd never get that on Russian TV. And it's not just about the BBC, we have a free press, which is completely different to Russia. I can't believe you think they're similar.

 

[Soulman]

Bombs kill 86 at pro-Kurdish peace rally in Turkish capital, more than 180 injured.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/10/uk-turkey-explosion-idUKKCN0S407320151010

It's getting hard to find a country in that area where the Muslims aren't murdering.

 

[crookie]

It's getting hard to find a country in that area where the Muslims aren't murdering.

Don't worry, we'll have some muppets pipe up with the Crusades proving that Christianity is as bloodthirsty as Islam