Vote Tory for a..umm...err..we sort of might have a sort of referendum on Europe.

[Common as Mook]

You would argue that brighton play in yellow if i said they played in blue and white stripes , so do f*** off .

Nice. You hate being wrong don't you?

I don't actually get drawn in by your bullshit masked as fact anymore but it's nice to call you out on it from time to time.

 

[User removed 4]

All anecdotal, and biased to boot. Good that you're happy to embarrass yourself with someone else's opinions, though. Exactly what I said in my first post.

I'm going to leave you alone now.

No, you're going to stop posting because you've utterly failed to prove any of your points.

 

[User removed 4]

Not dressing anything up. Like you, I'm 'spouting' from a mate who has direct links with the trade in question.

If my job or trade was being undercut by anyone (regardless of nationality) I would do whatever I could be competitive and make a living for my family.

Yes and i'm sure you'd be extremely chuffed about it , and really glad that the government had let in this competition that had a significant effect on your living standards.

 

[sten_super]

You would argue that brighton play in yellow if i said they played in blue and white stripes , so do f*** off .

Sorry bushy, but I think he's right on the mark this time. Your anecdotal evidence is cast iron and definitely representative of the whole sector, but someone else's opposing anecdotal evidence is completely off the mark and coloured by their experiences? That's pretty convenient...

Clearly, foreign workers have come into a number of sectors (some unskilled, some skilled, some in between) and undercut the existing workforce. Not great for those concerned, most certainly. The argument can be made, however, that this is just exposing to competition a sector that wasn't previously exposed to it, on the basis that it's not a typically traded good. Personal beliefs will colour whether we think this is a good or a bad thing, but it's not dissimilar to the erosion of (say) manufacturing in this country through international trade in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. The question is raises for me is; should we be protecting these industries (through limited immigration, trade tariffs, etc.) or should we be looking at areas where the UK does have a competitive advantage and ensuring that our workforce has the right skills to exploit these?

 

[User removed 4]

Nice. You hate being wrong don't you?

I don't actually get drawn in by your bullshit masked as fact anymore but it's nice to call you out on it from time to time.

I'm not wrong, what on earth are you on about " call me out " ? I bet you're the sort of plank who actually has to make an effort to say " can i get" aren't you ?

 

[Common as Mook]

Yes and i'm sure you'd be extremely chuffed about it , and really glad that the government had let in this competition that had a significant effect on your living standards.

Competition is a fact of life, immigration or no immigration. It could have easily have been Fred Smith from round the corner offering to do the job for cheaper.

 

[Common as Mook]

I'm not wrong, what on earth are you on about " call me out " ? I bet you're the sort of plank who actually has to make an effort to say " can i get" aren't you ?

Brilliant.

 

[daveinprague]

lol

 

[User removed 4]

Competition is a fact of life, immigration or no immigration. It could have easily have been Fred Smith from round the corner offering to do the job for cheaper.

Well thats the whole point you clown !! fred smith from round the corner probably had a mortgage to pay,a family to feed and wasnt sharing 8 to a house enabling him to live cheaply and sending a lot of money home

 

[User removed 4]

lol

good input, always has a fresh viewpoint does our dave.

 

[Common as Mook]

Well thats the whole point you clown !! fred smith from round the corner probably had a mortgage to pay,a family to feed and wasnt sharing 8 to a house enabling him to live cheaply and sending a lot of money home

Jesus wept. So now, in bushyland, every single Polish builder lives 8 to a house and sends all their money home? f***ing hell.

 

[daveinprague]

good input, always has a fresh viewpoint does our dave.

What input? Im just laughing at the boards pet idiot.

 

[User removed 4]

What input? Im just laughing at the boards pet idiot.

When i (quite often)laugh at you, I have a little chuckle whilst looking at the screen , never, have I felt the need to share my mirth with the rest of the board , without any added comment. Are you still smarting over me comparing you to a 13 year old who hasnt done his homework ? Was that the reason for your little lol ?

 

[daveinprague]

No, Im laughing at your crap.... its funny...please carry on.....You can compare me to what you want...I compare you to a silly twunt..
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I would imagine youre entertaining more than just me...im still giggling at your 'ukip getting ministerial positions in a coalition with the tories'...bet you cant outstupid that one today.

 

[HovaGirl]

The upside is that you're fluent in Greek though. You are arent you?

Oxi

 

[CheeseRolls]

I'm not wrong, what on earth are you on about " call me out " ? I bet you're the sort of plank who actually has to make an effort to say " can i get" aren't you ?

bushy you win. I have re-read your posts and the conclusions are obvious.

One From your conviction and certainty, as you have pointed out so beautifully, there are too many idiots posting on here.

Two In all likelihood I have never come across a foreigner. Maybe you are right about Shoreham Beach after all. Having re-read your facts on this thread and compared them to all those people I had always assumed were not born around here. I have not been able to match a single person to your detailed descriptions.

I will certainly be looking out for these foreign types next time I venture beyond the coastal strip of Sussex.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I will certainly be looking out for these foreign types next time I venture beyond the coastal strip of Sussex.

That new footbridge ..........................

 

[HovaGirl]

Sounds like you believe a lot of what is in the Daily Mail. One minute your bemoaning the fact that there aren't any jobs for our young people, when there clearly are, it's just that they are too lazy and feckless to apply for them. then you're saying that the people who are employed here aren't paying Tax and NI when they have to, and are contributing far more to this Country than those people sitting at home claiming the dole.

Why appease a young generation who have come to expect a hand out rather than earn their keep. Give me the young people from overseas who've got some balls to try to better themselves over someone who wants to spend their life on benefits. As Norman Tebbit once said, when his father could find a job, he 'got on his bike' and looked for one. If that means they have to look overseas, then that's what they have to do. The immigration laws work both ways, and there's nothing to stop (as many do) young people looking for work in France, Spain, Germany, Italy or Greece.

Someone else has already tried the Daily Mail insult.

I think it's a myth to assume that ALL our young are "too lazy and feckless" to apply for jobs. Some are, but most aren't. For those who leave school without any skills, and hope to work in cafes, restaurants or coffee bars, the traditional starting-places for young unskilled workers, those jobs are already taken. I went to a restaurant recently, completely staffed and managed by foreigners of different nationalities, where the latest recruit had been working there for only one day, the same day he arrived in the UK. He must have secured the job before leaving his own country and without being interviewed. I was left wondering how he achieved this? An online application form? Was the job advertised in The Argus, the Jobcentre or anywhere else? Was this trainee waiter's job actually available for a British youngster to apply for? If not, then why did the restaurant hire him before they had even met him? The answer must lie in the rate of pay, which was probably less than the minimum wage and probably paid in cash, no questions asked, no tax paid. If this happens in one restaurant, then it happens in many restaurants.

I don't understand your comment about NI and tax. I said, that if a British youngster was employed, he would be paying tax and NI. And he would be out in the clubs, shops and fast-food joints, spending his money and paying his VAT. But if that young British potential taxpayer can't get a job, because it has gone to a lad from abroad (see above paragraph), then our young Brit has no income, so won't be able to pay tax or NI. He won't spend his money anywhere because he hasn't got any, except what the State gives him. But I get the impression you don't understand what I'm saying here. Instead of the British youngster giving money TO the state (tax and NI), he's taking money FROM the State (benefits). Meanwhile, the foreigner who got his job, cash in hand, isn't paying tax or NI and sends most of his money back to his home country. Net loss for Britain.

For slightly older people, it's fair comment they should look anywhere, even abroad, for a job. But then you simply have population swap, where people pour out of this country to make room for the people pouring in. For young teenagers, still living at home, it's a bit rich to expect them to leave their families and go abroad for work.

 

[HovaGirl]

It's called competition. Nothing to do with where their from; the Polish tradesmen in this case are offering excellent workmanship at a fairer price. Maybe your mate should have been more competitive in his pricing and not just "expect" to keep charging his usual rates in a competitive environment.

Polish builders can be just as good as British builders, and just as bad. But Polish workers are sending a lot of their money back home to Poland, which means money is pouring out of this country.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

We've discussed this before and you believe that the UK can leave the EU whilst retaining current trade agreements and the like. So of course in your eyes there is no downside in leaving.

I don't believe that this is realistic. There is no precedent for it and I'm sure no desire for it outside of the UK. I think it would have a massive impact on the financial and political status of the UK.

But then I have about as much proof as you do, and indeed everyone else has.

Fair points.

As an anti-EU person I'm unlikely to be turned without reasoned and factual argument. Likewise pro-EU people won't be turned without the same.

I suspect you could call the result right now based on a decent poll as very few people will change their minds. Personally, my guess is that we'll leave regardless - it's just how. Obviously that makes me happy ( and racist, a bigot and a moron according to some ! ).