[Albion] Valentín Barco **Season Loan To Sevilla 23/08/24**

[pigmanovich]

I think the main problem was that Barco was unable to demonstrate that he was an effective defender.
He could overlap, he could cross a ball and was able to pass, but his defending was somewhat iffy.

So he could be a decent winger or wide midfielder instead, not a reason to bin him off so quickly, certainly not when there are doubts over the defensive abilities of most of our other full backs.

In any case he's quite young, there's plenty of time for him to improve on every front.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Yes there are some rough edges in his game, but nothing that a little coaching and experience won't sort out.

Does anyone imagine that, say Pervis was significantly ahead of him at his age? Certainly not trying to cut it in the PL or La Liga

From what we've been able to see from him he looks to have pace, energy, a decent delivery and he likes a tackle.

The only thing I can think is that his actions behind the scenes have been so shocking the club feel there's no way back for him.

Pervis joined Watford at 18 and went on loan to Spain (probably for work permit reasons) firstly playing in their second tier, but also had two loan spells in La Liga as well, so a fairly similar career path even if he wasn't as highly regarded as Barco at the same age.

 

[jimhigham]

This really disappoints me. But, at the end of the day, I'm just a paying customer with no insight and no idea what happens behind closed doors. If he's been deemed to be not up the mark/irrevocably blotted his copy book, then the next step is to ensure we don't run a big loss on his initial purchase.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Somewhat disappointed with this. A lot of my favourite Albion memories involve a ginger prince at LB.

Does seem bizarre that little old Brighton can't find a spot for players who have been capped by the world champions but hey ho.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I think the main problem was that Barco was unable to demonstrate that he was an effective defender.
He could overlap, he could cross a ball and was able to pass, but his defending was somewhat iffy.

Ok. But does Minteh always demonstrate he's an effective winger? Does Evan always demonstrate he's an effective striker?

I feel like I've posted the same point on NSC about 3 million times in the last year or so, but we're a club who brings through promising players. They will be inconsistent and make simple mistakes.

The point is the potential. Does Evan have it? Yes clearly. Does Yankuba have it? Yes I think so. Does Valentin have it? I have no doubt about that at all. As much as any of our young players I would say. With that in mind, I strongly hope we're looking at a development path for the kid which sees him stay with us.

 

[Commander]

Has to be an attitude thing. He's way too young for us to be writing off. He always did look like a bit of a dick and got some weird red cards in Argentina, didn't he?

 

[Freddo]

This has to be one of the stranger moves we've made, at best its an attitude thing and the club want rid, at worst its a shift in transfer policy that could have a worrying precedent.

If it were a shift in transfer policy, what would you see that being? A buy-to-sell model without developing the player as part of our own first XI?

 

[Zeberdi]

The option to buy has been on the table for a while (since it was first mooted Porto were interested in a loan) - see previous discussions but agree with some of the others above, there may be more to it..

I’m inclined to wonder if Barco while very talented is a little entitled and gets a bit ‘difficult’ when he isn’t named and FH wasn’t prepared to give hime any promises for this season. That makes it very difficult for a manager when selecting a team, maybe FH just didn’t want that on his hands in his first season.

Whatever, while nothing has been agreed with Porto (apart from Barco indicating his willingness to join them) I like to see him just brought back for a few weeks, knocked into shape mentally and given minutes before sending him out on loan later in the month without an option to buy. From what I saw, from the little we used him was a (very) young, unpolished player who could progress the ball up those left channels like Pervis use to before his injury and could put in some very fine Mitomaesque crosses (if he didn’t run into any defenders!) .

Yes, his decision making was wanting in defence but in fairness, De Zerbi ball scared the bejezus out of every novice defender we signed and the continual rotation of the goal keepers last season didn’t help either.

 

[Han Solo]

This has to be one of the stranger moves we've made, at best its an attitude thing and the club want rid, at worst its a shift in transfer policy that could have a worrying precedent.

Has to be an attitude thing. He's way too young for us to be writing off. He always did look like a bit of a dick and got some weird red cards in Argentina, didn't he?

It looks quite odd, like I said, but not sure I'd jump into these conclusions. There could be other things involved. Maybe FC Porto got something we want and this is part of the bargaining. Maybe his agent has a client or two that we want so we give him what his player wants this time.

If it was just "attitude" I imagine we wouldn't give them such a cheap buyout option - the attitude of a young man can improve rather rapidly if the stars align, so that would be a premature.

Not saying you're wrong but I guess that there's more (benefit) to this than desperately trying to get rid off him.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Has to be an attitude thing. He's way too young for us to be writing off. He always did look like a bit of a dick and got some weird red cards in Argentina, didn't he?

I kind of feel the same.

But it still doesn't add up. Between the ages of 20 and 24 your personality will develop as much as your football skills. Surely some allowance must be made for his age

The club will also be well aware just what a malign influence south America football agents can be.

He must have done something horrendous to be cast out at that age

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It would feel rather premature to be giving up on Barco - but I don't think it is really THAT strange. I was hugely excited by his signing - but he's been so disappointing. I honestly just don't think he's very good.

That horrific afternoon at Bournemouth last season has scarred me. He was so, so bad in that game that it really stood out - far more so even than Odel Offiah and Mark O'Mahony who were also thrown in by RDZ that day.

 

[Zeberdi]

It would feel rather premature to be giving up on Barco - but I don't think it is really THAT strange. I was hugely excited by his signing - but he's been so disappointing. I honestly just don't think he's very good.

That horrific afternoon at Bournemouth last season has scarred me. He was so, so bad in that game that it really stood out - far more so even than Odel Offiah and Mark O'Mahony who were also thrown in by RDZ that day.

Bournmouth scared everyone!

He was poor but I’m not sure any player, except maybe Lallana for his post match interview, were having a good day.

 

[studio150]

Nothing to do with ability or attitude, in the new FH world, Barco is at least 18 inches too small

 

[Commander]

It looks quite odd, like I said, but not sure I'd jump into these conclusions. There could be other things involved. Maybe FC Porto got something we want and this is part of the bargaining. Maybe his agent has a client or two that we want so we give him what his player wants this time.

If it was just "attitude" I imagine we wouldn't give them such a cheap buyout option - the attitude of a young man can improve rather rapidly if the stars align, so that would be a premature.

Not saying you're wrong but I guess that there's more (benefit) to this than desperately trying to get rid off him.

Yes I expect you are right. But by ‘attitude’ I just basically meant that there has to be more to it than football reasons.

 

[Zeberdi]

Yes I expect you are right. But by ‘attitude’ I just basically meant that there has to be more to it than football reasons.

Agreed.

And Barco’s manager at Boca Jnrs said exactly that.

Man City pulled back from closing on Barco apparently because of “discipline“ issues. I posted up thread at the time but will try and find a link.

Edit

EXCLUSIVO: por ESTO el City desistió de comprar al Colo Barco

El futuro de la última gran joya de Boca estará en el Brighton de la Premier League, pero el City Group había sido el primero en poner sus ojos en él. Sin embargo, hubo 2 razones por las que terminó desistiendo de llevárselo.

bolavip.com

“It is that, to their outstanding performances on the court, some internal episodes, fights and crosses with coaches that made noise in Boca began to be added. In fact, after his debut in the First Division with Miguel Ángel Russo in 2020, he had to wait almost two years to see action again in the first team.”

Reasons Manchester City gave up on signing revealed - Leave transfer for another club - Sport Witness

The Argentine media is today full of stories about Brighton & Hove Albion’s chase for Valentin Barco, as they’re said to be close to landing the Boca Juniors player. It had been Manchester City who first heavily linked to the player, although Pep Guardiola’s side never concluded the move. Now...

sportwitness.co.uk

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

A very strange decision on the face of it.

I assume he’s done the dirty with someone’s daughter/wife/gran and they’ve decided they don’t want him around.

Otherwise it’s a baffling decision for a 20 year old with such a good reputation, so soon after he arrived.

 

[jackalbion]

If it were a shift in transfer policy, what would you see that being? A buy-to-sell model without developing the player as part of our own first XI?

Something like that, just noticed a few our signings don’t really seem to be having any purpose other than sell on for profit, rather than improving the team.

 

[Taybha]

It's obvious what's happened, he's excellent at taking corners, don't want that sort of player on the books thank you very much.

 

[Commander]

Something like that, just noticed a few our signings don’t really seem to be having any purpose other than sell on for profit, rather than improving the team.

Isn’t the whole point that some make it and some don’t, and the ones that don’t we still make a profit on? I don’t think we preselect the latter group for not making it, I think it’s just the way it goes.

 

[portslade seagull]

He seemed a little lightweight last season but was probably due to his age. IMO just needed to bulk up to make himself stronger. If he does go good luck to him