UKIP Foster Parents

[Triggaaar]

Hmm..did he?

bloody typo.

Given that UKIP have thousands of non-white supporters and are not 'against' immigration per se then I think it's a fair assumption that I made.

I wasn't commenting on whether his views were fair or not, I was just trying to say he didn't get the wrong party, but I couldn't even do that

 

[Nibble]

Probably because you use a lot of bluster and accusations but back none of them up with straight answers. So come on then, how do YOU know they're white ?

Upon reflection, credit where it's due. You make a good point, even I am not infallable. Can you believe it?

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Without trawling through the rest of the posts; could someone confirm for me if the following two points have been covered:

1) That the council had already been criticised by a Judge for placing the children with an 'unsuitable family' due to their attitude / beliefs in relation to the childrens ethnic group and the effect that these attitudes / beliefs would have on the children
2) That this was only ever a temporary placement and the children could have been moved at any point for any reason (granted this reason might cause some problems for the council, but given point 1 above, so could them remaining there.

 

[redhill seagull 66]

It's experiencing a temporary peak in interest, that doesn't mean it will translate into votes and they will slink back into obcscurity when the economy stabilises, we've seen it all before . YAAAAwn

wrong!!!.while the 3 main partys.or should i say 2 now as ukip is overtaking the liberals,lie through there teeth about a referendum on europe.you know promising one but not actually giving us one,and we all know why they wont give us a referendum!!!.ukip will continue to grow...the only zzzzz yawn is the lies and bullshit we have been fed by liebour,torys and those namby pamby liberals

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Without trawling through the rest of the posts; could someone confirm for me if the following two points have been covered:

1) That the council had already been criticised by a Judge for placing the children with an 'unsuitable family' due to their attitude / beliefs in relation to the childrens ethnic group and the effect that these attitudes / beliefs would have on the children
2) That this was only ever a temporary placement and the children could have been moved at any point for any reason (granted this reason might cause some problems for the council, but given point 1 above, so could them remaining there.

2) yes, but 1) has been ignored. The social worker is quoted in the story though as referring to 'being criticised' previously, as you suggest.

 

[Nibble]

wrong!!!.while the 3 main partys.or should i say 2 now as ukip is overtaking the liberals,lie through there teeth about a referendum on europe.you know promising one but not actually giving us one,and we all know why they wont give us a referendum!!!.ukip will continue to grow...the only zzzzz yawn is the lies and bullshit we have been fed by liebour,torys and those namby pamby liberals

That's interesting. It will be intriguing to see how this plays out. I'm still not convinced that this is anything more than a case of "any port in a storm" but only time will tell.

 

[Landgull]

It is highly likely that children follow the vote of their parents, in this case foster parents. So why would you expect another party to hand out a vote to an oppo when votes are so tight now and may possibly be even tighter in the future?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

It is highly likely that children follow the vote of their parents, in this case foster parents. So why would you expect another party to hand out a vote to an oppo when votes are so tight now and may possibly be even tighter in the future?

The government hasn't made this decision.

The local council hasn't made this decision.

No political party has made this decision.

An individual social worker, has made the call.

(Do you genuinely, think that decisions are being made on the safety and future well-being of babies and toddlers, based on who they might vote for in 16 years time?)

 

[Tubby Mondays]

2) yes, but 1) has been ignored. The social worker is quoted in the story though as referring to 'being criticised' previously, as you suggest.

Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

That's interesting. It will be intriguing to see how this plays out. I'm still not convinced that this is anything more than a case of "any port in a storm" but only time will tell.

The incident that happened with the foster parents shows how misinformed people are about UKIP. I found UKIP because I wanted to find out about Europe and bumped in to some videos of Nigel Farage on Youtube. Listening to farage was honestly a breath of fresh air compared to the other party leaders. The more I listen to UKIP the more it makes sense to me as a voter, because I am not getting any answers to my questions from the Tories or Labour on the issues I am interested in.

I do think UKIP will be the third biggest party in this country one day. What would happen if UKIP got in to power, who knows, but I am at the stage where I feel it's time we gave another party a chance, because whatever the Tories do in power, Labour undo and whatever Labour do in power the Tories undo again, it never changes and it feels like nothing ever gets sorted out.

 

[MattBackHome]

The incident that happened with the foster parents shows how misinformed people are about UKIP. I found UKIP because I wanted to find out about Europe and bumped in to some videos of Nigel Farage on Youtube. Listening to farage was honestly a breath of fresh air compared to the other party leaders. The more I listen to UKIP the more it makes sense to me as a voter, because I am not getting any answers to my questions from the Tories or Labour on the issues I am interested in.

I do think UKIP will be the third biggest party in this country one day. What would happen if UKIP got in to power, who knows, but I am at the stage where I feel it's time we gave another party a chance, because whatever the Tories do in power, Labour undo and whatever Labour do in power the Tories undo again, it never changes and it feels like nothing ever gets sorted out.

Breath of fart air, more like

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Without trawling through the rest of the posts; could someone confirm for me if the following two points have been covered:

1) That the council had already been criticised by a Judge for placing the children with an 'unsuitable family' due to their attitude / beliefs in relation to the childrens ethnic group and the effect that these attitudes / beliefs would have on the children
2) That this was only ever a temporary placement and the children could have been moved at any point for any reason (granted this reason might cause some problems for the council, but given point 1 above, so could them remaining there.

Why would anyone on here cover those two important points? It might get in the way of the binfest!

 

[redhill seagull 66]

Breath of fart air, more like

typical leftie response

 

[Questions]

David said that members of UKIP were loonies, fruitcakes and closet racists. Maybe the safest bet then really. I mean he is our Prime Minister isn't he.

 

[Questions]

If you have ever been to Rotherham you might come to the conclusion that ALL children need removing from the area.

 

[BadFish]

most people have absolutely no idea about the scale of the abuse of asylum in the last decade or so. because they have read stuff in the f***ing guardian about people getting their hands cut off they think there are millions of traumatised african war victims being held in jails by a heartless system.

I feel educated now The Spanish, I am glad you have shown me the error of my way. I shall cease and desist advocating helping people from this moment on.

 

[BadFish]

It's experiencing a temporary peak in interest, that doesn't mean it will translate into votes and they will slink back into obcscurity when the economy stabilises, we've seen it all before . YAAAAwn

A temporary peak in interest because their has been a global financial meltdown (caused by corporate and banking greed) and Europe is in deep shit, The UK is struggling financially and the people are concerned about their future.

Who do the people blame?, the government?, The banking industry?, The multinationals?

No they blame the foreigners. The foreigners who are struggling to make ends meet just like them.........Oh and don't forget the dole cheats.

Little Englanders on their Island, with their Island mentality will never change.

 

[BadFish]

And under a points based system, those very people would have been allowed into the country if there was a requirement - i.e. if we're short of Doctors then Doctors who apply will get a higher score and thus be granted entry. Plenty of other countries already use this type of system.

They do but it doesn't stop people complaining about Immigration.

 

[BadFish]

This kind of insinuation, has been reapeated a few times in this thread, and I'd like to take issue with it.
The 'Labour council' didn't remove these children from the care of these foster parents. An individual social worker (of unspecified political leanings) responsible for the childrens' well-being has made that call.

From the facts as they are presented, it seems a strange call, and not one, I am confortable with, but it is the call of the individual(s) involved.

My mum is a social worker in Brighton. She's not a Green supporter. If she makes a call on a child's future that you don't agree with, is that the Green's fault?

It certainly does and I would be very interested to read the report or hear the social workers reasons for removing the children. Taken on face value the decision is wrong but I suspect there is more to it than has been reported.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/9700321/Council-defends-taking-foster-children-away-from-UKIP-members.html

So the council are saying that given the fact that the children are from another EU country and the foster parents are members of a political party that opposes people from other countries being allowed in the UK and that a judge has already criticized them for not looking after the cultural needs of those children they have decided that maybe they can find a better foster home for the children. Nowhere is it mentioned that the foster parents would not be able to foster other children.

When you take away the bluster and outrage it suddenly doesn't see to be so heinously awful.

The question seems to boil down to whether you consider the UKIP to be racist. A question that we have not managed to agree on in this thread so it is hardly surprising that this is a contentious issue.

 

[Dandyman]

most people have absolutely no idea about the scale of the abuse of asylum in the last decade or so. because they have read stuff in the f***ing guardian about people getting their hands cut off they think there are millions of traumatised african war victims being held in jails by a heartless system.

And your qualifications on the subject are what exactly ?