UKIP Foster Parents

[BadFish]

Probably best you don't comment on this thread then.

already did

 

[Soulman]

Little Englander...yes...UKIP is right in my my book,I don't care what your view is,you're entitled to it as much as I am to my views. The whole emphamise of immigration is that you claim aslylum in the the first country you land in,how many come through Europe to land here for benefits. That apart our softies say yes let's give the Union millions of our money to Europe...for what? We have given up our fishing grounds to foreign vacunm ships,we subsidise French farmers,the whole EU is corrupt,they have'nt accounted for their spending for 15 years,yet trhey want more. Let's wake up,you can slate my ideals as much as you like but if you want this country ruled by unelected Europeans then vote pro Europe...my view is that you will regret it...My country...I want it to prosper!!

Most people don't even realise that England is the only country in the civilised world without it's own parliament. They think that because it's in Westminster it does.
Our MP's not vote on any issues in Scotland, Wales, NI, they have their own parliaments and assemblies.... yet 108 SNP, Plaid Cymru, Ulster unionists etc can vote on English only issues.
So yep, i'm probably a little Englander....... or just one that wants parody with the other UK countries.
Neither the Tories, Liebour or Lib Dims want this......so i don't want them....ever.

 

[cunning fergus]

So apparently I was wrong to lump you into the 'right wing knobheads' who will always find a way to blame the foreigners. I apologies for this and will now accept that you are a knobhead who will blame the government who let in the foreigners in the first place.

Apology accepted.........don't forget though...........not any old Govt, its was the Govt that said that it acted in the interests of the working class. Now they are in opposition, they are full of bluster about protecting the working class from the effects that their policy wreaked on working class communities. f***ing right wing knobheads eh.........always blaming the foreigners.

 

[Soulman]

Right here is the lady causing a lot of stir, re this fostering case.
Here she is in this article.
"Joyce Thacker, the strategic director of the children and young people's services directorate at Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council, has a vast amount of experience in dealing with sexual exploitation of young people"

Now don't you think she should be causing trouble here, instead of targeting foster parents who's only misdemeanor to date, seems to be that they are members of a RECOGNISED political party.
Read On.
Gangs, Girls and Grooming: The Truth | Standpoint

 

[BadFish]

Apology accepted.........don't forget though...........not any old Govt, its was the Govt that said that it acted in the interests of the working class. Now they are in opposition, they are full of bluster about protecting the working class from the effects that their policy wreaked on working class communities. f***ing right wing knobheads eh.........always blaming the foreigners.

I apologise for calling you a knobhead as well, childish personal insults are not necessary and don't really help. Tough few days for me I am sorry

 

[BadFish]

According to the research commissioned by US and European think-tanks, people in the UK are much more likely to say there are "too many" immigrants than comparable nations. In Britain the figure is 59% compared to 27% in Germany and the Netherlands - both countries with a higher level of foreign-born residents.

get off my island!

 

[pastafarian]

According to the research commissioned by US and European think-tanks, people in the UK are much more likely to say there are "too many" immigrants than comparable nations. In Britain the figure is 59% compared to 27% in Germany and the Netherlands - both countries with a higher level of foreign-born residents.

get off my island!

thats some very interesting stats
can you drop a link where you got this from

cheers

 

[BadFish]

thats some very interesting stats
can you drop a link where you got this from

cheers

http://trends.gmfus.org/immigration/key-findings/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2011/02/why_are_we_so_concerned_about_im.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jonathan-davis/britains-problem-with-imm_b_977990.html

this is interesting too

As in previous years, Americans and Europeans largely overestimated the percent share of immigrants in their countries. British respondents, on average, estimated a foreign-born population of 31.8%, while just 11.3% of the population is actually foreign born. Americans, on average, estimated a foreign-born population of 37.8%, and the actual foreign-born population is only 12.5% of the population.


and this

What do you know in 2005 the UK had a smaller % of population born in a different country than Canada and Australia. - how things must have changed? any one got any more up to date statistics?

http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/foreign-born-share-of-population-international-comparison.jpg?w=600

 

[MattBackHome]

typical leftie response

No, honestly. I met him once and his breath smelt of farts. Really well-baked, eggy ones.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Our MP's not vote on any issues in Scotland, Wales, NI, they have their own parliaments and assemblies.... yet 108 SNP, Plaid Cymru, Ulster unionists etc can vote on English only issues.
So yep, i'm probably a little Englander....... or just one that wants parody with the other UK countries.

lol

 

[BigGully]

According to the research commissioned by US and European think-tanks, people in the UK are much more likely to say there are "too many" immigrants than comparable nations. In Britain the figure is 59% compared to 27% in Germany and the Netherlands - both countries with a higher level of foreign-born residents.

get off my island!

You might have thought that policies might reflect that desire then, wouldnt you ?

 

[BadFish]

You might have thought that policies might reflect that desire then, wouldnt you ?

If you were naive maybe

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

There is no economic benefit in doing so.

You only want to do that because you are a racist.

Norway and Switzerland seem to flourish

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Just looked this up: US has 11 million illegals compared to just 500k in the UK. Given the US and UK populations the US has a far greater issue it seems.

any illegal is an issue isn't it

 

[cunning fergus]

http://trends.gmfus.org/immigration/key-findings/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2011/02/why_are_we_so_concerned_about_im.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jonathan-davis/britains-problem-with-imm_b_977990.html

this is interesting too

As in previous years, Americans and Europeans largely overestimated the percent share of immigrants in their countries. British respondents, on average, estimated a foreign-born population of 31.8%, while just 11.3% of the population is actually foreign born. Americans, on average, estimated a foreign-born population of 37.8%, and the actual foreign-born population is only 12.5% of the population.


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What do you know in 2005 the UK had a smaller % of population born in a different country than Canada and Australia. - how things must have changed? any one got any more up to date statistics?

http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/foreign-born-share-of-population-international-comparison.jpg?w=600

So 12.5% (or 1 in 8) of the UK population are foreign born? At what level will the working class be able to challenge this rate without being held out as bigots?

That 12.5% does not tell the full picture either as I suspect it represents a higher rate in the working age demographic.........perhaps its 1 in 6 or even 1 in 5? Further how does it look across the skilled/unskilled constituencies, its probably even highter?

This position (if accurate) was never part of any UK political party's manifesto, least of all the Labour Party. Over the last few years they never once said to the electorate that one of the benefits of being in the EU would be that 1 in 8 of the population would be foreign born........doesn't sound like a vote winner amongst their core vote does it?

They went ahead with such a policy anyway, ignored their 2005 manifesto pledge (page 78 I think) for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and fully opened up the UK's labour markets. No doubt this was to the delight of their new friends in big business who could use over supply to increase profits at the expense of wages and the bougoise could benefit from cheap plumbers.

Even that old fascist right wing knobhead Billy Bragg recognises the sell out by Labour, when he stated (from one of your kindly provided links) in his critique "Labour is already too Blue":

"Capitalism's most recent leap forward, globalisation, has once again left us at the mercy of the markets. The power of the nation state to govern its own economic affairs has been put into question by multinational conglomerates with no loyalty to any country or continent. Successive governments, deregulating the labour market in the hope of attracting investment, have created an atmosphere of insecurity among a native workforce that has seen their jobs disappear overseas to as employers seek ever-higher profit margins with no regard to the social consequences.
The past two decades have also witnessed greater numbers of immigrants coming to Britain in search of work and better living conditions for their families. Those who oppose immigration complain that nobody voted for a huge influx of foreigners without recognising that the mass movement of cheap labour is a key aspect of globalisation."

The following coment being telling too:

"Of course, the very notion that the policies of successive free-market Labour and Conservative governments may in fact be largely to blame for much of the current reliance on migrant labour isn't something which politicians and the media will readily discuss."

The couple this thread is about are from Rotherham and were Labour Party supporters. I suspect (I dont know) that they would have been aligned to the old Labour Party and Union positions that would have secured the UK labour market from the damage of pan european free market Thatcherist capitalist ideology. Ironically this is the same protection you are enjoying in Australia under a Labour Govt there. It is a shame for many old school socialists in the UK but the only political party that offers this socialist option is UKIP. But then they are the only party offering any coherent policy against that of the establishment.

Your atitude is symptomatic of this puerile reactionary counter argument that anyone who says anything against what the european montarist establishment wants is a right wing bigot. There's no consideration or pragmatism taken on people's deeply held political views just shrill hysterical bullshit.

It is this absurd mental gymnastics that has concluded that a couple willing to foster 3 children from the EU represent some kind of "danger" to the children because they support UKIP. You really are part of the problem.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

pie charts, flow charts,percentages no need really, its all so clear unless you've got your eyes closed.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Norway and Switzerland seem to flourish

Shhh your mouth - apparently the EEA members don't exist according to the pro EU's !!!!

 

[User removed 4]

Shhh your mouth - apparently the EEA members don't exist according to the pro EU's !!!!

Although I broadly agree with most of what you say, it has to be said that Norway flourishes due to it being petro based economy that has invested its sovereign wealth wisely, although I'd much rather be in the EEA than a full member, lets face it , we've been consistently lied to , the treacherous actions of grocer heath in telling us we were joining a trading club being the first of many.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Although I broadly agree with most of what you say, it has to be said that Norway flourishes due to it being petro based economy that has invested its sovereign wealth wisely, although I'd much rather be in the EEA than a full member, lets face it , we've been consistently lied to , the treacherous actions of grocer heath in telling us we were joining a trading club being the first of many.

Agreed about Norway but as a financial services country Liechtenstien and Iceland are more like us from an economical model perspective. Even Switzerland ( who I know is an EFTA member not an EEA member ) is much more like us. The argument that we'd be f***ed by leaving the EU and wouldn't be able to join either the EEA of EFTA is total scare mongering !

 

[User removed 4]

Agreed about Norway but as a financial services country Liechtenstien and Iceland are more like us from an economical model perspective. Even Switzerland ( who I know is an EFTA member not an EEA member ) is much more like us. The argument that we'd be f***ed by leaving the EU and wouldn't be able to join either the EEA of EFTA is total scare mongering !

Indeed!