UKIP Foster Parents

[daveinprague]

That made me chuckle. I can now go from the general to the specific and say I was referring to good old fascists like you.

Let's talk common sense, eh? Would someone who is really against immigration and multi-culturalism foster a non-English/white child in the first place?

Then, why be members of a party whose main platform have these issues highlighted...

Apart from the political bickering...it just doesnt make sense to me to place them with the foster parents in the first place..?
It affects the foster parents, and it affects the children.
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[Buzzer]

He did. He asked if we'd feel the same if they had been BNP supporters.

Back at you.

Hmm..did he? He was talking about a party vehemently against immigration and multiculturalism. No mention of UKIP but lots about his pet subject, the BNP. Given that UKIP have thousands of non-white supporters and are not 'against' immigration per se then I think it's a fair assumption that I made.

 

[beorhthelm]

Its not a matter of 'political' prejudice...common sense tells you that the supporters/members of UKIP, a party that is against multiculturalism, and immigration, is probably not the best source of foster parents for non English children. Not my 'political' view at all...just doesnt make sense.

actually the whole story is founded upon political prejudice. the foster couple are ex Labour supporters and fostering for 7 years, then switch political alligence and are suddenly unsuitable.

 

[abc]

So its unsubstantiated hearsay then with no proof whatsoever.

As part of an interesting debate I thought it would be interesting to pass on something I had been told. I didn't state it as fact but explained how I had heard it and expressed the opinion that I felt that the sources and circumstances made it, in my opinion, likely to be true.

However, if you don't like it just ignore it. No problem.

 

[Buzzer]

Then, why be members of a party whose main platform are those issues?

Maybe they've read the UKIP manifesto and come to a different conclusion to you. In fact, isn't that more likely given that they want to foster non-English children?

You're wrong about their main platform too. I think most people associate UKIP with self-determination and legal and economic independence from the EU.

 

[cunning fergus]

The interesting thing is ... I largely agree with you. As you well know opposition to the EU comes from the 'right' and 'left' to use the old labels. My opposition to the EU comes from the left for much the reasons that you describe. However when you say "I'm anti-EU" people immediately say "Ah you're a UKIP supporter then!" as if being anti-EU immediately marked you down as a swivel-eyed right-wing nut job. I also happen to be anti-UKIP for reasons already described as they are frothing Monday Club bigots and I make no apology for calling them that, so I accept the charge of 'anti-UKIP bigotry'. However you simply cannot then assume that because I don't like UKIP I'm in favour of a totally free labour market (to pick one example from your rant). Stop frothing, calm down and think. We're actually on the same side! (EDIT: This really reminds me of the debates prior to the 1975 referendum when you had people on the YES and NO platforms who were YES or NO but often for wildly different reasons.)


And this has STILL got bugger all to do with fostering children!

Noted, and one thing I fully agree with you on is that the old Left wing/Right wing policies and arguments are dead. What I have always considered to be solid socialist Labour policy is now according to some imbeciles on here a policy of the extremist right wing. This is utter bullshit; these days the right wing/left wing label is just a convenient smearing mechanism for the weak minded to employ so that they obscure their own ignorance. This thread is an absolute tribute to that fact.

Unfortunately for many political positions these days the only distinction you have to make is whether you are for the establishment or against it. With specific regard to the EU, UKIP is as revolutionary in their aims as the SWP and the communists. Sure, their political genesis are different, but their objective on the EU is largely the same. I don’t often find myself agreeing with the likes of Bob Crow these days but he shares the same aim of UKIP and the differences in their positions are not yawning gaps. Bob Crow is not a swivel eyed right wing closet racist nut-job.

This is also the key point behind my posts on this matter, it is those who cannot be bothered to understand the underlying doctrine of some of UKIPs policies and recognise it for what it is. I am an old school socialist and I know what side I am on with the EU debate and it’s not that of the capitalist monetarist establishment. I am not an outlier in this regard, the couple this thread is about were long standing labour supporters. I doubt they are alone either, if they are old enough to remember they will understand that on the EU policy as with many other policies Labour sold them down the river.

I completely understand this thread is about the removal of children and political ideology seems to be a distraction but it’s not bugger all to do with it......... the reason these children were removed by a labour controlling council is because the council exhibit EXACTLY the same bigotry that you have admitted too (as would Dandyman and others should do if they had any balls) in their instinctive positions on UKIP and UKIP Policy. They are wrong on this matter as they are wrong on political belief having anything to do with the ability to foster a child.

It’s not me that should do the thinking.

 

[daveinprague]

BNP are my 'pet subject'? haha

 

[abc]

If UKIP is supposed to be full of closet racists, then there is absolutely no way Nigel Farage would get the air time that he does. There is absolutely no way some Tories would be jumping ship to join them. There is absolutely no way UKIP would be growing in numbers every week.

Voters of UKIP clearly understand that there is a difference between between racism and immigration, it just a shame some people still can't see the difference.

This argument only holds water if you believe that there are no racists or bigots in the media, the Tories, middle classes etc. UKiP is providing the 'repectable' party for these people.

 

[redhill seagull 66]

If UKIP is supposed to be full of closet racists, then there is absolutely no way Nigel Farage would get the air time that he does. There is absolutely no way some Tories would be jumping ship to join them. There is absolutely no way UKIP would be growing in numbers every week.

Voters of UKIP clearly understand that there is a difference between between racism and immigration, it just a shame some people still can't see the difference.

100% spot on mate.i will be voteing ukip next election.if people want to label me racist then zzzzzzzzzzzz do it,i couldnt care less.i work in a place which is at least 80% east european,crap at there jobs and thieves to boot.but hey ho its cheap labour and stops the employers paying livable wages to british kids.
As for the racists in this story,the only racists are the leftie labour run rotherham social services

 

[Brovion]

I mentioned bnp as another situation buzzer....I know its ukip....
Its not a matter of 'political' prejudice...common sense tells you that the supporters/members of UKIP, a party that is against multiculturalism, and immigration, is probably not the best source of foster parents for non English children. Not my 'political' view at all...just doesnt make sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? Why do their political beliefs stop them from being foster parents? For a start you're assuming that just because they're UKIP members that they support every single UKIP policy with gusto.

 

[daveinprague]

Yes, I am assuming you would be a member...not a supporter...a member of a party on the strength of its main policies...doesnt make much sense to become a member of
a party, based on its minor policies.....

Im also assuming better judgement could have been made regarding these children...its not as if there are no children waiting to be fostered....it just seems a little ill concieved to pass these particular children onto foster parents who may....repeat...may...have 'strong' views regarding immigration, and multiculturism...thats the only point im making..

 

[BigGully]

Yes, I am assuming you would be a member...not a supporter...a member of a party on the strength of its main policies...doesnt make much sense to support a party on its minor policies.....

Im also assuming better judgement could have been made regarding these children...its not as if there are no children waiting to be fostered....it just seems a little ill concieved to pass children onto foster parents who may....repeat...may...have views regarding immigration, and multiculturism...thats the only point im making..

Dont we all have views on immigration and multiculturalism, or do you mean that views that are not the same to yourself ??

 

[Nibble]

I'm not denying it at all, without doubt I've said it many, many times , what I'm asking you to do , is show me where I have mentioned it on this thread, or indeed quite how "human rights" are pertinent to this case at all ? I await your answer with great interest.

You've had it about four times already.

 

[Nibble]

I don't like the Labour party, but that doesn't mean I would stop Guardian reading, middle class lefty know alls who think embracing socialism, is visiting the National Theatre to see a Harold Pinter play, from fostering children.

Does nobody read posts properly on here? You just repeated my point. This is the problem we face with dealing with right wingers, they are so blinded by bitterness an imagined injustice they can't even see when somebody is agreeing with them. This country. You people.

 

[daveinprague]

biggully...seriously, I couldnt give a feck if this was a left or right issue...does it seriously make sense to you, that when there are hundreds, if not thousands of children waiting for foster parents, that somebody makes the decision to pass non English children to foster parents, who may have strong views on immigration, johnny foreigner etc?.. Dont you see it as a common sense issue, or do prefer it to be a pollitical issue?

 

[Brovion]

Yes, I am assuming you would be a member...not a supporter...a member of a party on the strength of its main policies...doesnt make much sense to support a party on its minor policies.....

Im also assuming better judgement could have been made regarding these children...its not as if there are no children waiting to be fostered....it just seems a little ill concieved to pass children onto foster parents who may....repeat...may...have views regarding immigration, and multiculturism...thats the only point im making..

I grant you that it MAY be a minor factor to take into account when deciding on initial placements, e.g, Psst! "Don't send those Albanian kids to Mr and Mrs Smith as their UKIP members!", but even then I'd hope their parenting skills would be the main factor. It's quite another thing though to take them away from a loving and secure home just because you don't like where the parents put their cross on a ballot paper. As you rightly said the needs of the children must come first, and this sudden and forced removal may have emotionally damaged them. They're kids, not political pawns.

 

[Milton Keynes Seagull]

Does nobody read posts properly on here? You just repeated my point. This is the problem we face with dealing with right wingers, they are so blinded by bitterness an imagined injustice they can't even see when somebody is agreeing with them. This country. You people.

I'm reinforcing your point with my own contribution Nibble. I HAVE AGREED WITH YOU.

 

[daveinprague]

Brovian..thats my point mainly...the initial placement seems a little ill advised ....

 

[Nibble]

I'm reinforcing your point with my own contribution Nibble. I HAVE AGREED WITH YOU.

How DARE you!

 

[Nibble]

Anyway I have friends and loved ones and a Doctor and MacMillan Nurses who gave my Mother first rate hospice care, all of whom would not be in my life if UKIP had it's dismal little way, so UKIP can go f*** themselves.