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[Herr Tubthumper]

Eh? I explicitly made the point that I didn't support the war in Iraq! Jesus, you're just making it up shite to suit your argument.

Apologies. I should pay a little more attention to the authors.

 

[London Pompous]

Out of interest, what do people think of the protests by American mothers who have lost their sons in the war, as some of these protest have been at similar homecoming gatherings.

 

[User removed 4]

In a sense it is the best advert for the armed services work abroad.

I have to say i think its the perfect advert to highlight, that in the end, multi culturalism simply does not work.Most people, myself included have no problem with demonstrations against the war, as has been pointed out , it is fundamental to a free society to be able to protest, the trouble is , the demonstrators do not , and will never see themselves as british first and muslim second, indeed i doubt that the majority of muslims from the indian sub continent see themselves as british at all, no i dont have facts to substantiate these claims,and i pay my deepest respects to the muslim kid killed in northern ireland on saturday, but ive met plenty of muslims born and brought up here who are incredulous at the thought of considering themselves english, it is this fact that people need to take on board when arguing about social cohesion and the benefits of this wonderful melting pot we never got asked if we wanted to live in.

 

[User removed 4]

What was the nationality of the protestors ? How do you know they were not born and bred here?


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The trouble is , I suspect most of them WERE born and bred here, read my post previous to this one.

 

[coventrygull]

I have to say i think its the perfect advert to highlight, that in the end, multi culturalism simply does not work.Most people, myself included have no problem with demonstrations against the war, as has been pointed out , it is fundamental to a free society to be able to protest, the trouble is , the demonstrators do not , and will never see themselves as british first and muslim second, indeed i doubt that the majority of muslims from the indian sub continent see themselves as british at all, no i dont have facts to substantiate these claims,and i pay my deepest respects to the muslim kid killed in northern ireland on saturday, but ive met plenty of muslims born and brought up here who are incredulous at the thought of considering themselves english, it is this fact that people need to take on board when arguing about social cohesion and the benefits of this wonderful melting pot we never got asked if we wanted to live in.

Even though you called me a cock. I agree with those sentiments

 

[MattBackHome]

I have to say i think its the perfect advert to highlight, that in the end, multi culturalism simply does not work.Most people, myself included have no problem with demonstrations against the war, as has been pointed out , it is fundamental to a free society to be able to protest, the trouble is , the demonstrators do not , and will never see themselves as british first and muslim second, indeed i doubt that the majority of muslims from the indian sub continent see themselves as british at all, no i dont have facts to substantiate these claims,and i pay my deepest respects to the muslim kid killed in northern ireland on saturday, but ive met plenty of muslims born and brought up here who are incredulous at the thought of considering themselves english, it is this fact that people need to take on board when arguing about social cohesion and the benefits of this wonderful melting pot we never got asked if we wanted to live in.

Bollocks, I humbly suggest.

 

[pork pie]

Will the British Moslems fighting our troops in Afghanistan be given a parade when they return?

You just never know with this government!

If it was up to me - I would charge them with treason and stick a bullet through their head! Simples!

 

[User removed 4]

Out of interest, what do people think of the protests by American mothers who have lost their sons in the war, as some of these protest have been at similar homecoming gatherings.

i think it is nonsensical to compare the two.

 

[London Pompous]

I have to say i think its the perfect advert to highlight, that in the end, multi culturalism simply does not work.Most people, myself included have no problem with demonstrations against the war, as has been pointed out , it is fundamental to a free society to be able to protest, the trouble is , the demonstrators do not , and will never see themselves as british first and muslim second, indeed i doubt that the majority of muslims from the indian sub continent see themselves as british at all, no i dont have facts to substantiate these claims,and i pay my deepest respects to the muslim kid killed in northern ireland on saturday, but ive met plenty of muslims born and brought up here who are incredulous at the thought of considering themselves english, it is this fact that people need to take on board when arguing about social cohesion and the benefits of this wonderful melting pot we never got asked if we wanted to live in.

I can sympathise with those views to a degree, but where do you draw the line?

Should we kick out the Scots, Irish and Welsh from England, should Brighton just be for Brightonians?

The most successful nation on the planet is a melting pot of different cultures, has a black(ish) president, and in some cities English is the second most common language, yet (until the last 12 months), it has thrived.

 

[User removed 4]

Even though you called me a cock. I agree with those sentiments

i didnt call you a cock, i was parodying the idiot who posted "traitor ignore him " !!

 

[User removed 4]

Bollocks, I humbly suggest.

are you actually going to debate the point with a statement of your own ? or is cut and pasting pictures the limit of your ability ?

 

[User removed 4]

I can sympathise with those views to a degree, but where do you draw the line?

Should we kick out the Scots, Irish and Welsh from England, should Brighton just be for Brightonians?

The most successful nation on the planet is a melting pot of different cultures, has a black(ish) president, and in some cities English is the second most common language, yet (until the last 12 months), it has thrived.

i agree , to a certain extent , but go to ANY americn school and see them pledging allegiance to the flag every morning, we are not even allowed to fly ours in some areas.

 

[coventrygull]

i didnt call you a cock, i was parodying the idiot who posted "traitor ignore him " !!

Apologies. Misread it. Its funny how during world war 2 People with fascist sympathies were detained under rule 18b. Now those showing sympathy for the enemy are allowed to demonstrate on the streets.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Out of interest, what do people think of the protests by American mothers who have lost their sons in the war, as some of these protest have been at similar homecoming gatherings.

If the mothers were protesting in order to stir up race hate and religious intolerance rather than focus minds on an illegal war that cost their sons lives I would be similarly against them as I am against these Islamist trouble causers. After all it's not the squaddies fault that Blair decided to ignore international law and go to war in Iraq, why aren't they protesting outside his house?

The shouts and Protests here "Baby Murderers, Rapists Terrorists" are aimed at individual soldiers returning from that war and are deliberately designed to maximise inter race tension...mark me, those demonstrators are not motivated by a desire to spread peace, unlike the mothers, they want to cause as much aggro as possible, and you know what? its working isn't it.

 

[MattBackHome]

are you actually going to debate the point with a statement of your own ? or is cut and pasting pictures the limit of your ability ?

Here's one: Multiculturalism can work, and is working in many places.

 

[London Pompous]

i think it is nonsensical to compare the two.

On what grounds. In both cases there are people demonstrating against soldiers returning from the war.

There are other Americans who celebrate the death of US soldiers in the wars by claiming it is God's punishment for homosexuality being allowed under the US constitution. These protesters claim to be Christian, and put their Christian beliefs before their love of the flag.

Surely in ALL religions there are idiotic zealots who will seize upon any opportunity to promote their skewed view of the world. To make sweeping generalisations against anyone, be it Muslim, Chrisian, Jewish or Hindu is the first step towards genocide.

 

[London Pompous]

If the mothers were protesting in order to stir up race hate and religious intolerance rather than focus minds on an illegal war that cost their sons lives I would be similarly against them as I am against these Islamist trouble causers. After all it's not the squaddies fault that Blair decided to ignore international law and go to war in Iraq, why aren't they protesting outside his house?

The shouts and Protests here "Baby Murderers, Rapists Terrorists" are aimed at individual soldiers returning from that war and are deliberately designed to maximise inter race tension...mark me, those demonstrators are not motivated by a desire to spread peace, unlike the mothers, they want to cause as much aggro as possible, and you know what? its working isn't it.

I think the protesters are wankers first, and muslims second.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I have to say i think its the perfect advert to highlight, that in the end, multi culturalism simply does not work.Most people, myself included have no problem with demonstrations against the war, as has been pointed out , it is fundamental to a free society to be able to protest, the trouble is , the demonstrators do not , and will never see themselves as british first and muslim second, indeed i doubt that the majority of muslims from the indian sub continent see themselves as british at all, no i dont have facts to substantiate these claims,and i pay my deepest respects to the muslim kid killed in northern ireland on saturday, but ive met plenty of muslims born and brought up here who are incredulous at the thought of considering themselves english, it is this fact that people need to take on board when arguing about social cohesion and the benefits of this wonderful melting pot we never got asked if we wanted to live in.

I dont see myself as British or English. Why should I? Who said I have to?

 

[Simster]

are you actually going to debate the point with a statement of your own ? or is cut and pasting pictures the limit of your ability ?

Put bluntly, I have far too many *real* friends of sub-continental descent to know that you're talking shite.

There's rarely any reason why people should forget their heritage, or even be forced to choose between their heritage and this country. Look at the other way round - you go to Boston and people there still remember their Irish ancestry, and all over Canada and Australia there are people with British parents who still maintain UK passports as a consequence. This is especially true in South Africa come to think of it.

At the end of the day, there will be far more British asians who share the view that these twats protesting in front of foot soldiers were completely out of order and shouldn't have been allowed to do so, than who felt like joining this piss-poorly misplaced protest.

 

[fatbadger]

AIts funny how during world war 2 People with fascist sympathies were detained under rule 18b. Now those showing sympathy for the enemy are allowed to demonstrate on the streets.

Well, it is a little different, at least as long as "our" armed forces fight in Iraq. The latter is an illegal war, and those who have fought in it are war criminals - and anybody who has signed up since the British government made clear it is willing to engage in such activities is essentially agreeing to act as a war criminal if asked to do so by the state.

Obviously those who signed up when our armed forces were expressly about defending Britain are excused from that analysis.