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[User removed 4]

Here's one: Multiculturalism can work, and is working in many places.

actually working or merely co-existing without any real interaction between the two or more cultures ? whereabouts ?

 

[Pork Sword]

I wonder how many of those protesting against our governments involvement in the 'illegal' Iraq war are all to happy to collect benefits from the same said government?

 

[Simster]

I wonder how many of those protesting against our governments involvement in the 'illegal' Iraq war are all to happy to collect benefits from the same said government?

Yeah I wonder that too. Of the handful of protestors I could make out from the TV footage, there may have been 2 or maybe even *shock* 3 bone idle scrounging dossers happily living off the state.

 

[User removed 4]

Put bluntly, I have far too many *real* friends of sub-continental descent to know that you're talking shite.

There's rarely any reason why people should forget their heritage, or even be forced to choose between their heritage and this country. Look at the other way round - you go to Boston and people there still remember their Irish ancestry, and all over Canada and Australia there are people with British parents who still maintain UK passports as a consequence. This is especially true in South Africa come to think of it.

At the end of the day, there will be far more British asians who share the view that these twats protesting in front of foot soldiers were completely out of order and shouldn't have been allowed to do so, than who felt like joining this piss-poorly misplaced protest.

i see your point , and i would say that these people you are talking about see themselves as canadian etc first and have an affection for britain , i find that is rarely the case with muslims from the sub continent, i will take issue with your assertion that people should not be forced to choose between their heritage and this country, that road just leads to this country becoming one vast transit shed with no national identity or character, as if its not heading that way anyway, as for the reason that its especially true of south africans to hold a british passport , i wonder why on earth that could be ?

 

[London Calling]

just popping in for a mo, I believe the protesters numbered 20, 20, lets get over it, 20 out of how many "south asians" 20 of how many muslims, 20 of how many black and ethnic minorities.

These people are a very small minority of our population.

I can't see the problem of targeting the soldiers, an easy target yes, high profile, all part of a democracy. Our Politicians are nicely tucked away from protesters, what's the exclusion zone around Parliament?

Why was the march in Luton, seems a strange place to have such an event.?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I wonder how many of those protesting against our governments involvement in the 'illegal' Iraq war are all to happy to collect benefits from the same said government?

Are people on benefits not allowed to be protesters then?

 

[Simster]

i will take issue with your assertion that people should not be forced to choose between their heritage and this country, that road just leads to this country becoming one vast transit shed with no national identity or character, as if its not heading that way anyway,

How the f*** do you arrive at that conclusion? When has anybody ever had to choose between country and heritage? Lets not forget, the outrage of this protest is not that it was anti-war, it is where and when they decided to hold it. Being anti-Iraq war doesn't make a British muslem stand out from 2 thirds of the electorate at the time of when we first went in! This protest was indecent, misdirected and offensive. THAT is the outrage, not their point of view. The only time they need to choose is in time of war where enrolement is enforced. Last time that happened was 70 years ago. So this leap to "transit shed". I have absolutely no idea how you make that leap, but I presume you feel all these new world countries are vast transit shed's too because they are all cultural melting pots in the same way, especially the American continents. It's bollocks, bushy.

as for the reason that its especially true of south africans to hold a british passport , i wonder why on earth that could be ?

Being outnumbered 10 to 1 by a previously disenfranchised population has led to positive discrimination leading to job losses and lack of security previously taken for granted by whites in SA. Where possible, white South Africans are looking to European passports to provide that security I guess.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

I wonder how many of those protesting against our governments involvement in the 'illegal' Iraq war are all to happy to collect benefits from the same said government?

The art of political debate is alive and kicking on NSC.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Being anti-Iraq war doesn't make a British muslem stand out from 2 thirds of the electorate at the time of when we first went in! This protest was indecent, misdirected and offensive. THAT is the outrage, not their point of view.

Word.

 

[e77]

I have to say i think its the perfect advert to highlight, that in the end, multi culturalism simply does not work.Most people, myself included have no problem with demonstrations against the war, as has been pointed out , it is fundamental to a free society to be able to protest, the trouble is , the demonstrators do not , and will never see themselves as british first and muslim second, indeed i doubt that the majority of muslims from the indian sub continent see themselves as british at all, no i dont have facts to substantiate these claims,and i pay my deepest respects to the muslim kid killed in northern ireland on saturday, but ive met plenty of muslims born and brought up here who are incredulous at the thought of considering themselves english, it is this fact that people need to take on board when arguing about social cohesion and the benefits of this wonderful melting pot we never got asked if we wanted to live in.

I would challenge your assumption that in the main multiculturalism doesn't work.

Do you never reflect on the irony that two of the main groups standing in the way of multiculturalism working better than it does today are the far right and extreme elements of the Muslim community?

 

[London Calling]

i wonder how many of those protesting against our governments involvement in the 'illegal' iraq war are all to happy to collect benefits from the same said government?

well that should have ruled out all the student protests againgst this war, nuclear weapons, vietnam, illegal detention,

can pensionerS protest cos they get hand outs too?

 

[Dandyman]

I have to say i think its the perfect advert to highlight, that in the end, multi culturalism simply does not work.Most people, myself included have no problem with demonstrations against the war, as has been pointed out , it is fundamental to a free society to be able to protest, the trouble is , the demonstrators do not , and will never see themselves as british first and muslim second, indeed i doubt that the majority of muslims from the indian sub continent see themselves as british at all, no i dont have facts to substantiate these claims,and i pay my deepest respects to the muslim kid killed in northern ireland on saturday, but ive met plenty of muslims born and brought up here who are incredulous at the thought of considering themselves english, it is this fact that people need to take on board when arguing about social cohesion and the benefits of this wonderful melting pot we never got asked if we wanted to live in.

To be honest, the same arguments were directed at Roman Catholics, Jews, the Irish Community and probably a range of other minorities in the past.

Our Melting Pot (if you mean immigration from the "New Commonwealth") has been developing for 60 years and is in part why we have the NHS and Public Transport staffed by the children and grand-children of the people Enoch Powell recruited in the 1950's.

As for the idea of "My country right or wrong" being a basis for living our lives, I'm forced to say we sent people to the gallows for that defence at Nuremburg.

Most people have multiple identities the strength of which change depending on the context we find ourselves in - Albion fan/Southerner/Englishman/Political view/Religous or belief view, being just a selection of identities that we could display.

 

[Dandyman]

I wonder how many of those protesting against our governments involvement in the 'illegal' Iraq war are all to happy to collect benefits from the same said government?

I don't object to paying for your carer, why should I obejct to anyone else expressing a view?

 

[User removed 4]

How the f*** do you arrive at that conclusion? When has anybody ever had to choose between country and heritage? Lets not forget, the outrage of this protest is not that it was anti-war, it is where and when they decided to hold it. Being anti-Iraq war doesn't make a British muslem stand out from 2 thirds of the electorate at the time of when we first went in! This protest was indecent, misdirected and offensive. THAT is the outrage, not their point of view. The only time they need to choose is in time of war where enrolement is enforced. Last time that happened was 70 years ago. So this leap to "transit shed". I have absolutely no idea how you make that leap, but I presume you feel all these new world countries are vast transit shed's too because they are all cultural melting pots in the same way, especially the American continents. It's bollocks, bushy.

Being outnumbered 10 to 1 by a previously disenfranchised population has led to positive discrimination leading to job losses and lack of security previously taken for granted by whites in SA. Where possible, white South Africans are looking to European passports to provide that security I guess.

firstly, i was being sarcastic about south africa, to be honest simster i thought helen keller would have been able to tell that ! in answer to the transit shed argument , no i dont regard all these new world countries as transit sheds because we both know that the national characteristics of the " host" country take precedence and is encouraged in every instance, whereas here the reverse seems to be the case, and exactly how many muslims would you see flocking to the recruiting office in 25 years time if the present situation is allowed to continue and this country that they feel no real affinity or allegiance to is involved in a war for its very survival similar to the second world war, how many would join up and fight for it and how many would be on the first plane out of heathrow? this is a genuine question,not an attempt to wind you up .

 

[User removed 4]

well that should have ruled out all the student protests againgst this war, nuclear weapons, vietnam, illegal detention,

can pensionerS protest cos they get hand outs too?

pensioners get money back from their national insurance contributions , hardly handouts.

 

[Common as Mook]

actually working or merely co-existing without any real interaction between the two or more cultures ? whereabouts ?

In my workplace, in my home and with my friends. I think that's pretty much all bases covered...

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

actually working or merely co-existing without any real interaction between the two or more cultures ? whereabouts ?

here!!

BBC NEWS | England | Kent | Gurkha's family to remain in UK

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Apologies. Misread it. Its funny how during world war 2 People with fascist sympathies were detained under rule 18b. Now those showing sympathy for the enemy are allowed to demonstrate on the streets.

Enemy? this is the crux of this..Every single placard being waved here has at the top of it "War on Islam and Muslims" Well it wasn't a war on that religion was it? it was a war aimed at toppling Saddam because George Bush Senior failed to finish him off the first time round because, despite all the intel, there was no popular uprising of Iraqis to depose him and that bugged old Dubya so much that after 9/11 he had his chance, completely out of context, to put that "right" at last.

The only problem with this war was it was started by religious fundamentalists blowing up the twin towers and was then prosecuted by an angry and poorly led US goverment-and its cronies-intent on revenge rather than legitimate war aims.
Saddams Iraq was pretty secular and included Christians at the top of the Goverment, he was irreligous and was a drinker etc. so was hardly a Muslim extremist. If anything Islam was kept relatively in check there because he feared an Iran style revolution.
America painted Iraq as some sort of extremist factory exporting Islamic terror around the world and that was clearly a lie. A lie that could well ignite the third world war...especially if and when Pakistan collapses.

The brilliance of Bin Laden is amazing, he managed to goad a naive superpower into attacking a muslim country based on lies and incompetence and the fallout from this is that international Islam now has a focus to unite them. Their suspicion of the West as an aggressive bunch of Neo-Imperialists intent on stealing their wealth and subjugating them appears confirmed everytime they switch on the TV or read a newspaper.

In this country young Muslim men, encouraged to see the West as its blood enemy, walk out of their houses in Burnley drive to london and calmly execute bus and train passengers on their way to work one July morning in Madrid the same, in Bali Aussie tourists executed for their countries support for Dubyas war..Mumbai, Istanbul Glasgow.....the touchpaper is lit around the world.

 

[User removed 4]

here!!

BBC NEWS | England | Kent | Gurkha's family to remain in UK

bloody good job too, an absolute outrage that these men arent automatically granted passports whatever, and the disparity with their pensions is a disgrace as well. i didnt read this link before i posted as i automatically support the gurkhas right to stay here etc , ive just read it and im speechless, it beggars f***ing belief !

 

[London Calling]

pensioners get money back from their national insurance contributions , hardly handouts.

BACK TO A PREVIOUS POST AND NOT YOURS.

Nearly every one in the uk pay taxes, so whether they are picking up SB or UB or housing benefit they have a right to protest.