[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Bodian]

? ' 'they don't have the numbers' - do they mean the Government don't have the numbers to get it through, or that the 'rebels' don't have the numbers to stop it passing??

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This government is evil (edited : because I don't want @Bozza nor Nsc to get into legal trouble)

 

[TomandJerry]

A trade union is considering legal action to halt the government’s latest Rwanda deportation plan as leaked Home Office documents show asylum seekers could delay removals for a year by pursuing their own individual claims.

The Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS), which represents Border Force guards among other civil servants, said it planned to challenge Rishi Sunak’s safety of Rwanda bill, if it passes into law, on the grounds it is unconstitutional.

 

[Lever]

Sir Starmer has the whole thing covered, next year can't come quickly enough.

Given the context of your previous political comments, I speculate that is another example of your poor skill in the use of irony. Please feel free to endorse with a thumbs up or make out an alternative case if you are willing and able...

 

[Lever]

This has been a particularly toxic and terrible manifestation of tory political governance but I am sure the more balanced Conservative MPs will also suffer at the next election because the ineptitude and mendacity of the last 13 years...

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

A Survation poll in The Times last month had this for Faversham and Mid Kent:

Faversham and Mid Kent
Winner: Con
Vote share by party

Con 41.4%
Lab 35.8%
Lib Dem 10.9%
Green 4.3%
SNP 0%
Plaid 0%

Labour set to do better than Blair’s 1997 landslide at next election, poll says

Sir Keir Starmer is on course to win more seats than Tony Blair did in his landslide victory in 1997 despite his party being riven with divisions over whether to back a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas conflict.Labour would win the keys to Downing Street with a 212-seat majority if the general election

www.thetimes.co.uk

Tory hold due to the vote being split. Some amazing Tory losses elsewhere though if true.

And even places like Faversham can go if Lab, Lib and Gren give each other a nod and a wink in some seats. We've seen it in by elections.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

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In due course we will learn about the circumstances of the death and at that time we can make an assessment of whether you are right or not.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

This has been a particularly toxic and terrible manifestation of tory political governance but I am sure the more balanced Conservative MPs will also suffer at the next election because the ineptitude and mendacity of the last 13 years...

Did you have any in mind?

So many were booted out at the time of passing the brexit bill. I'm not sure who is left which is recognisable as one of the tories of old

 

[Thunder Bolt]

In due course we will learn about the circumstances of the death and at that time we can make an assessment of whether you are right or not.

Ok, I am very angry and very sad, but the fact remains, the asylum seeker died in a place where he shouldn't have been in the first place.
Local fire services and health officials warned the government, the barge wasn't safe.

 

[Is it PotG?]

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Where is your link of evidence for such an allegation in this matter please?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Ok, I am very angry and very sad, but the fact remains, the asylum seeker died in a place where he shouldn't have been in the first place.
Local fire services and health officials warned the government, the barge wasn't safe.

I understand your anger

I hope all these people are removed from the barge and placed somewhere more secure, probably a hotel, while an independent investigation into the circumstances and safety of the barge are very quickly conducted. Any sensible government should commit itself to following the findings of this investigation.

What's making me angry is the realisation there are some on the fringes and in various chat rooms who will have greeted this news with the comment .... "good"

 

[Eric the meek]

The Asylum Seeker Memorial Project

The Home Office does not publish statistics about deaths that take place in its accommodation for asylum seekers, despite calls to do so. We set out to gather the data, to explore why deaths were rising, and increase transparency.

www.asylumseekermemorial.co.uk

Please take a few minutes to scroll through and reflect. The lucky ones are those who have a name. Most of them don't.

 

[A1X]

 

[nicko31]

Can that really be true?

 

[jimhigham]

Can that really be true?

Certainly seems to be. What a dreadful piece of messsaging, caused entirely by their own lunacy.

 

[TomandJerry]

Climate campaigners and politicians have reacted with fury to the news that the UK climate change minister, Graham Stuart, has returned to London from Cop28

Francesca Rhodes, of Care International UK, said: “If the reports are accurate, it is staggering that the UK government has no ministers attending the final critical days of Cop28. These negotiations will decide the fate of millions of people facing floods, fires and famine due to the climate crisis. The UK has played a productive role in the talks so far but leaving early is simply shameful. Time and again, wealthy countries have let down low-income countries. The latest text was deeply disappointing and does not keep 1.5C alive. When the UK should be standing up for marginalised communities, including women and girls

 

[Audax]

The fact Rishi feels he needs to call a minister back says to me is that he can't be certain he has the numbers to be able to pass the Rwanda bill today.

I'm sure it will pass - would take a rebellion on seismic proportions for it not to - but just the act of needing to call the minister back tells us everything we need to know about how weak his position as PM currently is.

 

[MJsGhost]

Climate campaigners and politicians have reacted with fury to the news that the UK climate change minister, Graham Stuart, has returned to London from Cop28

Francesca Rhodes, of Care International UK, said: “If the reports are accurate, it is staggering that the UK government has no ministers attending the final critical days of Cop28. These negotiations will decide the fate of millions of people facing floods, fires and famine due to the climate crisis. The UK has played a productive role in the talks so far but leaving early is simply shameful. Time and again, wealthy countries have let down low-income countries. The latest text was deeply disappointing and does not keep 1.5C alive. When the UK should be standing up for marginalised communities, including women and girls

Well OBVIOUSLY, a minister who will vote with the PM on his flagship Rwanda policy needs to be back in Westminster today.

Saving face over a binfire of a policy is OBVIOUSLY more important than saving the World from actual fire isn't it? Isn't it?

Isn't it?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Aside from the obvious point about priorities, the fact that in 2023 someone can't vote remotely is nuts

 

[The Clamp]

Maybe Rwanda is a safer bet?

Asylum seeker on Bibby Stockholm barge believed to have killed himself

A spokesman for No 10 confirmed the reported death onboard vessel in Portland, Dorset, was being investigated

www.theguardian.com