[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[pb21]

Out of interest, does anyone know how this scheme came to fruition, to the extent it is? Specifically how Rwanda, rather than any other country, came to be the third country we would be working with?

 

[nicko31]

I think this is the view now from most of the public

Even if successful At best its a one for one asylum swap for £1m a pop. At worse sending desperate people to a dictatorship with an appalling human rights record and no deterrent.

Sadly the UK is not alone, other populist government are trying bad shit too.

 

[nicko31]

Out of interest, does anyone know how this scheme came to fruition, to the extent it is? Specifically how Rwanda, rather than any other country, came to be the third country we would be working with?

Seems the Tories whip went on a gorilla trek there many years so and thought it was nice

 

[rippleman]

I think it is important to remember that the arrangement with Rwanda (if approved, gets through all the legal challenges etc) means that we could potentially send up to 100 asylum seekers to Rwanda. And we would be committed to taking 100 Rwandan refugees / asylum seekers. That's as close to net zero as you can get.

Hundreds of millions of pounds spent to have absolutely no impact whatsoever on immigration numbers.

Remind me again why slimey Sunak thinks this is a good idea.

 

[nicko31]

I think it is important to remember that the arrangement with Rwanda (if approved, gets through all the legal challenges etc) means that we could potentially send up to 100 asylum seekers to Rwanda. And we would be committed to taking 100 Rwandan refugees / asylum seekers. That's as close to net zero as you can get.

Hundreds of millions of pounds spent to have absolutely no impact whatsoever on immigration numbers.

Remind me again why slimey Sunak thinks this is a good idea.

Finally Tory commitment to net zero!!!!

 

[pb21]

Seems the Tories whip went on a gorilla trek there many years so and thought it was nice

Its a bit strange when you think about it.

Presumably, a couple of years ago someone in Government, or working for Government, thought they should seriously look into and develop this scheme, but that would have been before any third country was identified, so there must've been some kind of tendering process undertaken (given this is public money being spent) to establish the best option.

How do you go about tendering for the removal of people from one country to another, bring it up at the UN?! Having said that this is the Tory party, so backhanders and mates of old mates, may very well have been utilised.

I suppose Rwanda could have offered this to the UK first, but that seems unlikely.

 

[Pevenseagull]

That'll be a Knighthood for Lee Anderson then.

 

[Berty23]

I think it is important to remember that the arrangement with Rwanda (if approved, gets through all the legal challenges etc) means that we could potentially send up to 100 asylum seekers to Rwanda. And we would be committed to taking 100 Rwandan refugees / asylum seekers. That's as close to net zero as you can get.

Hundreds of millions of pounds spent to have absolutely no impact whatsoever on immigration numbers.

Remind me again why slimey Sunak thinks this is a good idea.

People argue it is a deterrent so 100 will stop people coming. What people forget is that almost that many die every year in the boats so if that’s not a deterrent then is Rwanda?

 

[Jim in the West]

People argue it is a deterrent so 100 will stop people coming. What people forget is that almost that many die every year in the boats so if that’s not a deterrent then is Rwanda?

There was never any evidence that the Rwanda policy would act as a deterrent. People willing to risk crossing the Channel in a small boat are DESPERATE. They have also faced many, many huge challenges in getting to northern France in the first place. The knowledge that you may have an approximately 0.25% chance of being sent to Rwanda is hardly a deterrent.

 

[Eric the meek]

Out of interest, does anyone know how this scheme came to fruition, to the extent it is? Specifically how Rwanda, rather than any other country, came to be the third country we would be working with?

I believe the initial idea came from Priti Patel, either when she was Home Secretary, or before she was appointed.

Her previous idea was to create a wave machine in the channel to act as a deterrent to asylum seekers. The fact that it would put them in greater danger of capsizing was evidently not seen by Priti as sufficient reason to abandon the idea. Thankfully, this idea was rejected, I think by the cabinet. But the Rwanda solution was adopted instead.

You may recall that Priti's parents came from Uganda, next door to Rwanda. I don't know if Uganda was in the frame first, or Rwanda was her first choice.

 

[beorhthelm]

Its a bit strange when you think about it.

Presumably, a couple of years ago someone in Government, or working for Government, thought they should seriously look into and develop this scheme, but that would have been before any third country was identified, so there must've been some kind of tendering process undertaken (given this is public money being spent) to establish the best option.

How do you go about tendering for the removal of people from one country to another, bring it up at the UN?! Having said that this is the Tory party, so backhanders and mates of old mates, may very well have been utilised.

I suppose Rwanda could have offered this to the UK first, but that seems unlikely.

i wondered how they ended up at Rwanda, not an obvious choice, apparently Israel and Denmark had some arrangment with them for similar parking some migrants.

when Priti Patel first mooted the policy here, i think Ascension Island or some other colonial outpost was in the frame.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I believe the initial idea came from Priti Patel, either when she was Home Secretary, or before she was appointed.

Her previous idea was to create a wave machine in the channel to act as a deterrent to asylum seekers. The fact that it would put them in greater danger of capsizing was evidently not seen by Priti as sufficient reason to abandon the idea. Thankfully, this idea was rejected, I think by the cabinet. But the Rwanda solution was adopted instead.

You may recall that Priti's parents came from Uganda, next door to Rwanda. I don't know if Uganda was in the frame first, or Rwanda was her first choice.

Patel's first idea was for the Royal Navy to sink them, but the Admiralty told her they had no intention of breaking International Maritime Law.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Patel's first idea was for the Royal Navy to sink them, but the Admiralty told her they had no intention of breaking International Maritime Law.

Further to your 'murderers' allegation (still no link), can you provide a link where she intended for the Navy to SINK the boats?

Cheers!

I just wouldn't want you to leave the impression that you simply make stuff up.

 

[Eric the meek]

Patel's first idea was for the Royal Navy to sink them, but the Admiralty told her they had no intention of breaking International Maritime Law.

I'd forgotten about that. It's almost as if she felt the need to be as extreme and vindictive as possible to prove her credentials.

Didn't she also try to stop the RNLI (or maybe the coastguard) from rescuing boats?

 

[Eric the meek]

Further to your 'murderers' allegation (still no link), can you provide a link where she intended for the Navy to SINK the boats?

Cheers!

I just wouldn't want you to leave the impression that you simply make stuff up.

Yellow card for time-wasting.

 

[Seaber]

I think the government will still win the vote, but sounds like the panic level had just gone up another notch.

 

[TomandJerry]

Sir Edward Leigh (Con) told MPs that he wanted parliament to pass the bill as quickly as possible. He said that, to stop the UK being affected by injunctions from the European court of human rights, it would probably be necessary to leave the European convention on human rights. The government did not have a mandate for that, he said. He said that might be a matter for the next manifesto.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Election to be called shortly

 

[Bodian]

Are these European Migrants then??

 

[A1X]

Further to your 'murderers' allegation (still no link), can you provide a link where she intended for the Navy to SINK the boats?

Cheers!

I just wouldn't want you to leave the impression that you simply make stuff up.

Far be it from me to fight other people’s battles for them, this is the background to the Navy’s involvement

Priti Patel accused of publicity stunt ‘as Navy quits migrant patrols’

Home Secretary’s migrant crisis plan was always destined to fail, critics say

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