[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

It's beginning to look a lot like game over for Sunak and this thoroughly discredited Tory regime

 

[A1X]

 

[A1X]

The fact Rishi feels he needs to call a minister back says to me is that he can't be certain he has the numbers to be able to pass the Rwanda bill today.

 

[pb21]

I thought there was a mechanism to allow vote swapping or similar?

Certainly should be if not, or a way to vote without missing out on more important issues.

 

[nicko31]

It's beginning to look a lot like game over for Sunak and this thoroughly discredited Tory regime

Whatever happens this lot are going to hang around as long as possible just like 1997

 

[KZNSeagull]

I thought there was a mechanism to allow vote swapping or similar?

Certainly should be if not, or a way to vote without missing out on more important issues.

There is. Someone from the opposite party drops out if someone cannot attend a vote. It happens all the time.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Whatever happens this lot are going to hang around as long as possible just like 1997

Don't reckon another leadership contest would do their prospects any good at all. There's only so many times they can rearrange the deckchairs. The country must be heartily sick of us acting like a banana republic shirley?

 

[pb21]

There is. Someone from the opposite party drops out if someone cannot attend a vote. It happens all the time.

Thought so, so why is he flying home for the vote, if he is?

 

[KZNSeagull]

Thought so, so why is he flying home for the vote, if he is?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Given this is a free vote, with so many Tory MPs wavering on this Rwanda bill you wonder whether this terrible snub to our commitment to climate change might cause one MP - perhaps more - to change their mind and vote against Rishi.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I thought there was a mechanism to allow vote swapping or similar?

Certainly should be if not, or a way to vote without missing out on more important issues.

I thought Rishi said it would be a free vote and the MPs would not be whipped, therefore no pairing?

 

[pb21]

Reading some of the comments I saw this tweet from Pippa Crerar, seems its because its a three-line whip; what an absolute pathetic state of affairs.

 

[Bodian]

Aside from the obvious point about priorities, the fact that in 2023 someone can't vote remotely is nuts

By What's App maybe?

Oh - wait, there would be no record of who voted for what in a year's time.....

 

[KZNSeagull]

Reading some of the comments I saw this tweet from Pippa Crerar, seems its because its a three-line whip; what an absolute pathetic state of affairs.

Yup. Pairing is the name of the voting mechanism where someone drops out so if that is cancelled then yes, he would be coming back for the vote. Oh and I agree, it is pathetic.

 

[CHAPPERS]

A reader asks:

The government is recalling a minister from the climate summit. Why can’t they ask the opposition for a pairing? Given the importance of Cop28 to the UK, Labour might have agreed to this ... or is this more performative from the Conservatives?

The government and opposition do agree to pair MPs, and I’m sure they have done that today. But if the opposition have only got, say, 14 MPs who can’t make the vote because they are ill/away or whatever, that is all they will offer the government – even if the government wants more pairs. And the government normally has more people away because there 100-odd MPs who are in government and might be away on government business.

Rwanda bill ‘pushing at edge of the envelope’ but ‘within framework of international law’ says home secretary – UK politics live

James Cleverly says deportation bill contains ‘novel measures’ as MPs debate it

www.theguardian.com

 

[Eric the meek]

'More home secretaries have been sent to Rwanda than asylum seekers - "it's about £100 million per trip" - Yvette Cooper, in the Commons an hour ago.

 

[Audax]

Thought so, so why is he flying home for the vote, if he is?

I would guess they're worried that they actually need as many "Yes" votes as they can get. Depends on how many of the rebels abstain vs vote against.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Pairing has been 'abused' in the past.

Commons leader says sorry to Jo Swinson for pairing pact 'error'

Lib Dem, who has three-week-old baby, furious after Tory takes part in crucial Brexit vote

www.theguardian.com

Conservative MP claims pregnant Labour MP delaying birth for Brexit vote to 'make a point'

'I think irrespective of pairing, I think she wants to make a point that she is doing this for her constituents'

www.independent.co.uk

 

[TomandJerry]

 

[TomandJerry]

Back in the Commons Sir Bill Cash, who led the European Research Group’s “star chamber” panel of legal experts who published a report on the Rwanda bill, is speaking now.

He says if parliament passes a law, the courts should apply it, whether it breaks international law or not.

He praises Robert Jenrick for his speech. And he says that he thinks the bill can be improved.