Thieving Government Bastards

[steward 433]

Actually that is a very good point! The thread starter himself has made several posts about people standing at Withdean and that it's wrong.

So Steward 433 - I accept that you are a safe driver and you know what your're doing when you speed. In return you must accept that myself and others are 'safe' fans and we know what were doing when we try to watch the match standing up. Don't be a government stooge!


BTW I have no strong views on speed cameras one way or the other.

SIT DOWN You also should then have seen my views on standing as well then!!!

You may be safe standing BUT the ground rules state you must sit. As do the speed limits state i shouldn't speed. I don't speed very often at all I just think it's incredulous that the government are planning to double the amount of speeding tickets next year!!!

 

[Gazwag]

A car's stopping distance is only as good as the vision and awareness of the driver.

Assuming they have already slowed down should the road be wet, icy or frosty.

Awaits 433 argument "but modern tyres and breaks slow you down really well nowadays"

 

[Gazwag]

SII don't speed very often at all

just 1000 miles constantly at 90 mph

 

[steward 433]

A car's stopping distance is only as good as the vision and awareness of the driver.

I would like to ask you one thing- say your 3 year old daughter ran out into the road from behind a parked car, with no warning whatsoever, and was hit by a car doing 55 in a 40 zone.

Who would you blame?


Just a bit of devil's advocate, like...!

Any child of mine at 3 years old would be holding hands near a road so not even hypothetical.

I wouldn't have a residential road with parking at 40MPH limit anyway 30 max possibly even 20MPH

 

[steward 433]

just 1000 miles constantly at 90 mph

Motorways are the only roads i speed on as anything less the roads are not safe enough to speed on in 500 or so miles i have about 6-8 miles that is less than a 70 or 60 limit and i don't speed on the 60 bits

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Motorways are the only roads i speed on as anything less the roads are not safe enough to speed on in 500 or so miles i have about 6-8 miles that is less than a 70 or 60 limit and i don't speed on the 60 bits

That's OK then - I only stand in the back row where I'm not blocking anyone's view or putting safety at risk

 

[steward 433]

That's OK then - I only stand in the back row where I'm not blocking anyone's view or putting safety at risk

You would if you fell forward though!!!

 

[Gazwag]

Motorways are the only roads i speed on as anything less the roads are not safe enough to speed on in 500 or so miles i have about 6-8 miles that is less than a 70 or 60 limit and i don't speed on the 60 bits

ok then if you want to be perdantic 984 miles (you have to get back from Scotland) out of 1000, now I would say you speed quite a lot on that basis, hardly not very often at all

 

[steward 433]

ok then if you want to be perdantic 984 miles (you have to get back from Scotland) out of 1000, now I would say you speed quite a lot on that basis, hardly not very often at all

But 1000 miles is less than 5% of my total annual mileage of 30,000 plus in the car and maybe another 20,000 in the lorries

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You would if you fell forward though!!!

Likewise if you have to stop suddenly at 90 odd miles per hour when the if you were travelling at 70 you would have stopped a few yards sooner. I suspect more people die on motorways than in football grounds !

 

[steward 433]

Likewise if you have to stop suddenly at 90 odd miles per hour when the if you were travelling at 70 you would have stopped a few yards sooner. I suspect more people die on motorways than in football grounds !

I suspect more people use motorways than football grounds!!!!

Also i only drive to the road and traffic conditions. See previous post of mine as i am police trained!!!

 

[Buttinhams]

I have a speed camera detector (GPS - updated online from an up to date database - it does not detect lasers, so is legal). As I drive 1.5 hours to and from work each day I tend to nudge over the limit from time to time. so the early warnings are useful.However the only cameras that I have found to be truly effective are the average speed cameras, found on some motorways and some black spots. If these are deployed nationwide every journey will be like driving on the Isle of Wight.

 

[Gazwag]

Also i only drive to the road and traffic conditions. See previous post of mine as i am police trained!!!

so on that basis anybody who is police trained is safe to break the speed limit because they can recognise perfectly the road and traffic conditions 100% of the time.

 

[steward 433]

so on that basis anybody who is police trained is safe to break the speed limit because they can recognise perfectly the road and traffic conditions 100% of the time.

But to counteract that you are saying that none of the emergency services should ever break the law "just in case"

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I suspect more people use motorways than football grounds!!!!

Also i only drive to the road and traffic conditions. See previous post of mine as i am police trained!!!

That's OK then becuase I'm a fully trained and qualified steward ( agreed no longer working as one ) so I think I'm perfectly safe to stand

 

[Trufflehound]

...they've banned flashing at people (titter) to get them out of your way in the fast lane, for example - something that would make the cretinous Jeremy Clarkson wannabes of this world froth at the mouth and boom vegetative drivel about health and safety gone mad.

Aaah, that would explain it. I thought they were just being polite.

I recently drove to Freiburg and back - about a 1200km roundtrip from here - and in all that way, only one person flashed me. Turned out the twat was driving a car with UK plates...

 

[Gazwag]

But to counteract that you are saying that none of the emergency services should ever break the law "just in case"

I'm not saying that at all, they are doing their job, using blues and twos making other motorists aware and are being re-trained on a regular basis - a bit different from "I was trained by the police force once upon a time so I can drive completely safely at 90 mph on a motorway without any regard for other road users or passengers in my car"

 

[Trufflehound]

Hmm, to a point - I think it's also a bit of an open secret that the powerful German automotive industry does pretty well out of having people knacker their cars far more quickly by doing 140mph for 3-4 hours at a time, so the government is loathe to upset them. It is ironic that the country that pioneered environmentalism has so far turned a blind eye to this unnecessary form of pollution - which, it must be said is also hugely fun to enjoy.

But there is a growing lobby in Germany to introduce a 120km limit on the Autobahns: Pro Tempolimit (Tempolimit - Klimaschutz - Klimawandel
for those who read German) is an is an alliance “for road safety and climate protection” between environmental groups, the VCD (the German equivalent of the AA), and the Federal police. Apart from cutting CO2 emisisions, they also claim that a 120km limit would save "hundreds" of lives a year, which does suggest not everyone there agrees that driving at ludicrous speed is just as safe as driving sensibly.

Of course, as you point out, the main people who are currently poo-pooing their claims are BMW, Audi and Mercedes...

 

[Guy Fawkes]

The problem with using speed cameras to control and catch those breaking the law by driving at excess speed is what they are unable to detect, the bad driving that can and often leads to the serious accidents and deaths on the roads.

it is unable to detect those who undertake, are serving wildly accross the road, driving on the wrong side of the road, distracted by phones etc.. or are drunk / high, those who cut up other drivers or those who tailgate, which are far more dangerous than speed, and all the above can lead to fatal accidents at speeds below the speed limits

There is a danger that the more widely speed camera usage becomes, it will result in a reduction of police patrol cars who would actually spot and deal with these potential dangers and make the roads safer for other road users and pedestrians.

Speed cameras also fail to spot vehicles that are unroadworthy, or those without tax, MOT's or valid insurance (although ANPR cameras are starting to become more popular, but only work if there is a patrol that can respond to a hit on the system)

The numbers of road deaths where the main contributing factor is speed is infact very low, under 10 %, but is one of the easier targets to catch motorists doing, the number of road deaths hasn't actually fallen as a result of speed cameras, and in some cases, areas with speed cameras have led to an increase in crashes, where drivers slam on their brakes as they spot the camera late.

Why hasn't there been a camera developed that can measure the distance between cars, the speed at which they are travelling, and calculate if the distance between them is saf or not, hopefully by introducing something like this, the drivers who travel at 70 mph, just a few feet behind the car in front can be targeted and this danger reduced on the roads, which would also mean drivers would feel that road safety is the reason for the cameras, rather than revenue.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Emergancy vehicle drivers are taught and tested to a higher standard than most drivers, and also the vehicles they use are maintained to a high standard, how many of those who think they should be able to travel at high spped too have vehicles that are kept in very good working order, there will be alot of normal drivers that only have their vehicle MOT'd and service in the same month and don't undertake any other sort of maintainance and think of their vehicle as being very safe