Thieving Government Bastards

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Thing I like about the closed season on here is that we lose all the rebels and free spirits and we are left with all the law abiding snores "dont speed then blah blah" "think of all the dead babies killed by you speeding down the motorway where they are playing blah blah".

I drive every day for work and I can assure you all that NO-ONE is pootling about at the speed limit except old women and (for some unkown reason) Asian women! Cameras are, and ever will be revenue raisers. If they were not we would have a system as elsewhere in the world where speeding drivers, when captured on camera, are deducted significant points from their licences rather than being fined, knowing you would lose 4 points every time you were caught would definitely reduce speeding more than a fine ever could.

 

[Robbie G]

I tend to stick to the speed limits because I'm in the provisional period of two years after passing, where i can only get 6 points. So to be caught speeding twice would mean losing my license.

 

[Brighton till i die]

Isn't that just saying they are replacing all the old ones? Not "100 new ones" as such.

it does actually say "new" mate - 1st paragraph. but it also says "replace"

 

[Brighton till i die]

f***ing hell there are soo many "do-gooders" on here today.

i dont mean to name-call but anyone saying they never go over the speed limit is 99% a f***ing LIAR.

get off your high horses and get back to your public transport.....

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Thing I like about the closed season on here is that we lose all the rebels and free spirits and we are left with all the law abiding snores "dont speed then blah blah" "think of all the dead babies killed by you speeding down the motorway where they are playing blah blah".

I drive every day for work and I can assure you all that NO-ONE is pootling about at the speed limit except old women and (for some unkown reason) Asian women! Cameras are, and ever will be revenue raisers. If they were not we would have a system as elsewhere in the world where speeding drivers, when captured on camera, are deducted significant points from their licences rather than being fined, knowing you would lose 4 points every time you were caught would definitely reduce speeding more than a fine ever could.

Have I missed something? Don't you get at least 3pts as well as a fine, possibly more depending on how much you are over the speed limit?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I kinda sit on the fence about speed cameras - there are better ways to enforce speed limits than fines.

What I find remarkable is the "don't speed therefore no fine" arguement on a site like this when a sizable majoity of people on here complain about strong stewarding at matches - could I not use the same arguement for that then - "don't stand up, don't swear or don't invade the pitch ( regardless of your dire need to thank Mayo ! ) and you won't have any hassle from the stewards" ? Not tarring anyone - just find it strange - rules is rules after all, regardless of where we are.

* sits back and awaits flaming *

 

[Brighton till i die]

rules is rules after all, regardless of where we are.

exactly - there to be BROKEN!!

 

[Da Man Clay]

it does actually say "new" mate - 1st paragraph. but it also says "replace"

Indeed, the way I read it was nearly 100 "new" cameras to replace nearly 100 old ones.

 

[jevs]

f***ing hell there are soo many "do-gooders" on here today.

i dont mean to name-call but anyone saying they never go over the speed limit is 99% a f***ing LIAR.

get off your high horses and get back to your public transport.....

I don't think many people weren't saying they go over the speed limit, they were saying (including myself) that if you go over the speed limit and get caught, you have no arguement, you've broken the law so tough titty (i have an SP30 on my licence btw).

Nothing to do with "do-gooders"....all about breaking the speed limit. If you do so, expect to get caught, you have no arguement, it's the law whether you agree with it or not.

Now f***ing grow up you clown

 

[steward 433]

I don't think many people weren't saying they go over the speed limit, they were saying (including myself) that if you go over the speed limit and get caught, you have no arguement, you've broken the law so tough titty (i have an SP30 on my licence btw).

Nothing to do with "do-gooders"....all about breaking the speed limit. If you do so, expect to get caught, you have no arguement, it's the law whether you agree with it or not.

Now f***ing grow up you clown

It's all about the revenue though as they plan to catch twice as many per annum!!

 

[Brighton till i die]

I don't think many people weren't saying they go over the speed limit, they were saying (including myself) that if you go over the speed limit and get caught, you have no arguement, you've broken the law so tough titty (i have an SP30 on my licence btw).

Nothing to do with "do-gooders"....all about breaking the speed limit. If you do so, expect to get caught, you have no arguement, it's the law whether you agree with it or not.

very true - just a bit to much preaching on this thread.

i fully appriciate you get "busted" if you brreaks limits - i have had 9 points on my licence and many more coming on and off.

all i am saying is some people on here are giving it all the charlie big bananas and they prob drive over the limits themselves.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Its difficult not to speed when everyone else on the road is driving at 40 in a 30 limit. You know its 30 but then glance at the speedo and it says 35 and slowing down again means the arsehole behind you might go into the back of you is a dilemma.

 

[Cian]

How is doing 90-100 mph 'perfectly safe'?

Motorway standard roads in the EU have a minimum design speed of 160km/h - a little over 100mph I believe. The problem is drivers doing less than this which makes it unsafe to go that fast.

The M4 here is designed for 180km/h and its one of the few approaching the general standard/scale of UK roads (countries a 15th of th size, etc). I suspect your motorways are all similarly or higher designed...

 

[jevs]

Its difficult not to speed when everyone else on the road is driving at 40 in a 30 limit. You know its 30 but then glance at the speedo and it says 35 and slowing down again means the arsehole behind you might go into the back of you is a dilemma.

That is the most pathetic arguement i've ever heard. You have breaks to slow the car down....if everyone decided to throw themselves off Beechy head...would you follow like the Lemming you are.

Going from 40mph to 30 doesn't usually involve slamming the breaks on so hard that the car behind goes into you.

Priceless.

 

[Gazwag]

It's all about the revenue though as they plan to catch twice as many per annum!!

The need it to replace the £120 tax refund everybody will get this year when PA go up. There start moaning about all those whingers who forced this to happen, despite knowing all about it six months before it happened.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

In answer to the arguments that will inevitably crop up at some point in this thread (because they always do):

1) Speeding fines are a tax on the motorist. No they're not, because taxes are unavoidable, whereas speeding penalties are entirely down to the driver

2) Cameras should only be in accident blackspots. Why? Do speed limits only apply in accident blackspots? Should the drivers of this country be allowed to decide for themselves where the law applies? I tell you what would happen if that was the case: the most moronic drivers would dictate what went on, and the accident rate would rocket.

3) It's a revenue generator for the government. So what? Would you like to pay more taxes instead? You know how to avoid paying them

4) If it's safe for the police to drive at that speed, why isn't it for me? Because any police driver going at high speed will be trained, and because it's not safe per se. None of us actually relish driving like that, because of the high possibility of something going wrong, and either somebody being killed or seriously injured, or on a lesser note, the prospect of losing our jobs over it. Trust me, most police drivers don't use their blue lights etc half as much as they'd legally be allowed to do, because it's just not worth the hassle if something goes tits up.

5) Cars are more powerful now, so the limits should be raised to 90, or 100 on motorways. Of course, if you raise it to 90, then the ones who've asked for that will drive at 110. Raise it to 100, and they'd drive at 120. So where do you draw the line?

6) You're a self righteous copper so you would think like that Not really, we all drive a bit over the limit at times, but if I do get a ticket, I'll hold my hands up, be pissed off at myself for getting busted, and get on with it.

 

[steward 433]

The need it to replace the £120 tax refund everybody will get this year when PA go up. There start moaning about all those whingers who forced this to happen, despite knowing all about it six months before it happened.

New Labour has screwed up certain things so badly. Tax is just one but to use "safety devices" as cash cows is just wrong.

Although i will admit the camera locations seem to be more sensible now. The Buckbarn camera is in an ideal position unlike some

 

[looney]

If you cant do the time dont do the crime.

 

[steward 433]

In answer to the arguments that will inevitably crop up at some point in this thread (because they always do):

1) Speeding fines are a tax on the motorist. No they're not, because taxes are unavoidable, whereas speeding penalties are entirely down to the driver

2) Cameras should only be in accident blackspots. Why? Do speed limits only apply in accident blackspots? Should the drivers of this country be allowed to decide for themselves where the law applies? I tell you what would happen if that was the case: the most moronic drivers would dictate what went on, and the accident rate would rocket.

3) It's a revenue generator for the government. So what? Would you like to pay more taxes instead? You know how to avoid paying them

No i would like to pay less taxes and see the bone idle "yoof" generation made to go out and earn a bloody living

4) If it's safe for the police to drive at that speed, why isn't it for me? Because any police driver going at high speed will be trained, and because it's not safe per se. None of us actually relish driving like that, because of the high possibility of something going wrong, and either somebody being killed or seriously injured, or on a lesser note, the prospect of losing our jobs over it. Trust me, most police drivers don't use their blue lights etc half as much as they'd legally be allowed to do, because it's just not worth the hassle if something goes tits up.

5) Cars are more powerful now, so the limits should be raised to 90, or 100 on motorways. Of course, if you raise it to 90, then the ones who've asked for that will drive at 110. Raise it to 100, and they'd drive at 120. So where do you draw the line?

Nothing to do with the power of the car it's about how quickly and distance they can now stop in (mondeo is less than half of what the highway code states)

6) You're a self righteous copper so you would think like that Not really, we all drive a bit over the limit at times, but if I do get a ticket, I'll hold my hands up, be pissed off at myself for getting busted, and get on with it.

Good on you for the last bit as a couple of police officers i know got clean away with speeding whilst off duty just because of their job

 

[acrossthepond]

When i drive up to Scotland i wanna be doing 90-100 on the motorway. It's perfectly safe to do so and with 500 miles to cover it makes a lot of difference than doing 70

Safety is not about absolutes - you aren't fine at 90 mph and then die horribly at 91mph. It is progressively less safe the faster you drive, and doing 90mph is relatively much less safe, and far more dangerous to others, than doing 70.

Of course it is perfectly safe or the police wouldn't drive that fast. Plane/train way too expensive for all 3 of us to go up.

Autobahns are what we need here and do you even know why there are limits on motorways because there never used to be

Police are permitted to drive that fast in a very narrow set of circumstances, and do so with blues and twos going, warning of their approach.

The autobahns are great, but they are far more dangerous than regular German roads, because of the higher speeds involved. Somethign like 3x more dangerous I believe.

Agree with most of that but motorways the limit is just too low!! Having been based in Germany and seeing the autobahns!

Variable speed limits based on traffic density would be fine, but most UK roads are too heavily used to tolerate a higher limit.

It's all about the revenue though as they plan to catch twice as many per annum!!

Does it matter what it's all about? If it's earning revenues and reducing road deaths at the same time, then that works for me. If your trip to Scotland is all about cost-effectiveness, get the bus.

How selfish and arrogant; take some responsibility for yourself.