The Sun is disgusting

[Biscuit]

The Sun is disgusting; on Twitpic The Sun is disgusting; on Twitpic

 

[sten_super]

What do you expect? It is The Sun.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

An interesting topic.

The liberal in me would want to distance myself from any kind of torture entirely. However, when, potentially, national security is at stake and 'water boarding' is an effective way of garnering information from a suspect then perhaps there is a case for the practice as a last resort.

I am going to sit on the fence, I fear.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

Water Boarding? Is this where the former public utility (FPU) tortures you with a sudden demand for mucho money??

 

[Westdene Seagull]

An interesting topic.

The liberal in me would want to distance myself from any kind of torture entirely. However, when, potentially, national security is at stake and 'water boarding' is an effective way of garnering information from a suspect then perhaps there is a case for the practice as a last resort.

I am going to sit on the fence, I fear.

I agree with you but two things make fall on the side of not using it :

1. I don't trust the authorities to get the correct person so a perfectly innocent person could be tortured.

2. If it were me I'd tell them what they wanted to hear even if it wasn't the truth so you have to question how effective waterboarding is.

 

[Napper]

Suprised even mentioned, of course those people need torturing

 

[Castello]

An interesting topic.

The liberal in me would want to distance myself from any kind of torture entirely. However, when, potentially, national security is at stake and 'water boarding' is an effective way of garnering information from a suspect then perhaps there is a case for the practice as a last resort.

I am going to sit on the fence, I fear.

spoken like a true liberal

 

[Castello]

I agree with you but two things make fall on the side of not using it :

1. I don't trust the authorities to get the correct person so a perfectly innocent person could be tortured.

2. If it were me I'd tell them what they wanted to hear even if it wasn't the truth so you have to question how effective waterboarding is.

and thus the reason why torture is so ineffective. An innocent person would confess just to stop the pain, but would not be able to give any real information. Thus degrading our humanity to gain nothing, all the while playing right into the hands of Al Qaeda, by fulfilling their propaganda about what souless heathens the west are.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I agree with you but two things make fall on the side of not using it :

1. I don't trust the authorities to get the correct person so a perfectly innocent person could be tortured.

2. If it were me I'd tell them what they wanted to hear even if it wasn't the truth so you have to question how effective waterboarding is.

Yes. I agree with the first point.

I am not sure point 2 would be as easy as that. Detention levels are a period of 20+ days (or years in the case of Guantanamo), so I am sure they could investigate as to whether the information was false or not.

I am more against that for. However, we would be naive to believe that any form of torture has not been used in all recent conflicts by the British.

 

[Easy 10]

and thus the reason why torture is so ineffective. An innocent person would confess just to stop the pain, but would not be able to give any real information. Thus degrading our humanity to gain nothing, all the while playing right into the hands of Al Qaeda, by fulfilling their propaganda about what souless heathens the west are.

Its not confessions / convictions they're after. Its information.

A captured al-qaeda terrorist could be harbouring vital intelligence about future planned atrocities. If it takes torture to get it out of him, then waterboard away. It could save any number of lives.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Can someone explain the technicalities of waterboarding to me?

I understand its something to do with making people feel like they're drowning. But if they know they're being waterboarded, then wouldn't they know they're not really drowning?

 

[Sam Ovett]

Don't really think torture is acceptable.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Can someone explain the technicalities of waterboarding to me?

I understand its something to do with making people feel like they're drowning. But if they know they're being waterboarded, then wouldn't they know they're not really drowning?

Should imagine it's ducking people underwater until they pass out/are half drowned or are close to it then reviving them for more of the same? Hardly an issue of what 'they would know' I wouldn't have thought.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Can someone explain the technicalities of waterboarding to me?

I understand its something to do with making people feel like they're drowning. But if they know they're being waterboarded, then wouldn't they know they're not really drowning?

Drowning is obviously the wrong term as that means death from asphyxiation due to fluid entering the lungs.

I guess a more accurate term would be the 'sensation of asphyxiation through the use of water'. Either way, the treatment is enough to override logical thought, I am sure.

 

[Biscuit]

Its not confessions / convictions they're after. Its information.

A captured al-qaeda terrorist could be harbouring vital intelligence about future planned atrocities. If it takes torture to get it out of him, then waterboard away. It could save any number of lives.

It could but at what cost?

Using torture is degrading society only gives those that hate our way of life more ammunition. It's never, ever acceptable. Full stop.

 

[Grendel]

Can someone explain the technicalities of waterboarding to me?

I understand its something to do with making people feel like they're drowning. But if they know they're being waterboarded, then wouldn't they know they're not really drowning?

I don't know but, I'd guess that when you're effectively being asphixiated, your survival instinct takes over from logical thought, regardless of whether you're aware of what's going on or not.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Its not confessions / convictions they're after. Its information.

A captured al-qaeda terrorist could be harbouring vital intelligence about future planned atrocities. If it takes torture to get it out of him, then waterboard away. It could save any number of lives.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter etc etc etc. Strangely the public didn't like it when Saddam tortured our captured airmen but of course he was a bad man while we're the good guys !

 

[Billy the Fish]

The silly thing about this debate it that while we're all debating whether something like waterboarding is acceptable, there's countries in the middle east and in Asia who stone women to death and do things unimaginably worse than dunking someones head under the water.

If someone is captured how do you expect to get information out of them - write them a stern letter?

I don't even class waterboarding as torture, I'd put it in the same bracket as sleep deprivation and stress positions.

 

[matt]

1. I don't trust the authorities to get the correct person so a perfectly innocent person could be tortured.

Using that logic you would shut all the prisons too?