The Sun is disgusting

[Billy the Fish]

You're talking about a 'best case' bit of torture. How many crap bits, or deliberately misleading bits, of information would had to have been extracted before you got a decent bit? How do you select the people for interrogation? How do you select the interregation method? Your 'good bit' of intel would simply be the tip of a very large and very sordid iceberg.

And to take it to the extreme, yes, the odd bomb going off that could have been prevented if we'd 'thoroughly interrogated' dozens or hundreds of people is the price we have to pay for living in a free society with respect for human rights.

I don't think it works like you see in the films or on 24. The only documentary I've seen on how they do it was an SAS program, from what I gather the 'torture' part of it is just the softening up process, so there'll be a sustained period of no sleep, stress positions, white noise and all the rest of it then you get taken to see a trained interrogator who knows how to lead someone into giving up information. The physical part breaks down the mind, they're highly trained so I'm sure they know when someone is broken and therefore not bullshitting, or have the resources to find out quickly.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Out of interest when Britian was on it's knees during the height of WWII. Facing ''unimaginable risk and threat'' did Churchill ever resort to torture of German POW?

Just wondering, like...

It's a fair question - but let's not kid ourselves we would have ever known even if he had. The media toed the government line a lot more in those days. Mind you, I say that, then I look at the generally soft treatment the coalition is getting...

 

[kingcole]

So is the moon

 

[Insel affe]

Sorry dont give a shit, water board away or whatever if it stops this kinda mindless act in the name of religion or freedom, if we get the odd one or ten wrong it could save the lives of what 2,998 people.....

watch and remember


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[steward 433]

Sorry dont give a shit, water board away or whatever if it stops this kinda mindless act in the name of religion or freedom, if we get the odd one or ten wrong it could save the lives of what 2,998 people.....

watch and remember


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Yes because the Christian faith never started it?

 

[User removed 4]

Sorry dont give a shit, water board away or whatever if it stops this kinda mindless act in the name of religion or freedom, if we get the odd one or ten wrong it could save the lives of what 2,998 people.....

watch and remember


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[Insel affe]

Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes because the Christian faith never started it?

Oh f*** C.U.N.T


like who started makes that ok, you f***ing Prick, like thousands of people went to work that day at war with islam. ! you f***ing prick

 

[steward 433]

Oh f*** C.U.N.T


like who started makes that ok, you f***ing Prick, like thousands of people went to work that day at war with islam. ! you f***ing prick

A grown up mature response. Just pointing out facts and obviously you have issues dealing with it?

And where did I say any loss of life is ok?

 

[daveinprague]

Watching and remembering the attack on the towers in another country, is no less horrific than watching the 'shock and awe' in another that killed many thousands of civilians that im sure excited many of the people who condemn the towers attacks. The one thing that Britain is held in esteem for around the world is a sense of fairness, and decency, so please dont start using tactics such as torture in my name.
Human beings are human beings, whether they are on 'our side' or not.

 

[Brovion]

I don't think it works like you see in the films or on 24. The only documentary I've seen on how they do it was an SAS program, from what I gather the 'torture' part of it is just the softening up process, so there'll be a sustained period of no sleep, stress positions, white noise and all the rest of it then you get taken to see a trained interrogator who knows how to lead someone into giving up information. The physical part breaks down the mind, they're highly trained so I'm sure they know when someone is broken and therefore not bullshitting, or have the resources to find out quickly.

They may not be bullshitting. As I mentioned before the suspect may have been primed with false information that they believe to be true and were told never to reveal. When they crack the interrogators know the confession is genuine, unfortunately they are now in possession of a load of false information which they believe to be good - which is worse than having no information at all. They all then rush off to Location A and the real bomb is in Location B (to dramatise it a bit).

It's a fair question - but let's not kid ourselves we would have ever known even if he had. The media toed the government line a lot more in those days. Mind you, I say that, then I look at the generally soft treatment the coalition is getting...

Given what I've said earlier this may be a bit hypocritical but I think there is a world of difference between a 'Gene Hunt' type individual getting a bit over-enthusiastic and breaking the rules when interrogating a suspect, and the former President of the United States happily admitting he condoned torture.

I still disapprove, but I'm not so naive to assume that we decent Brits never did it (and perhaps still do it). But at least Churchill never said in public that we waterboarded captured Luftwaffe airman until they told us the next set of targets. It was never 'official' in other words, unlike today.