The Sun is disgusting

[HampshireSeagulls]

Can someone explain the technicalities of waterboarding to me?

I understand its something to do with making people feel like they're drowning. But if they know they're being waterboarded, then wouldn't they know they're not really drowning?

You put a towel over someone's nose and mouth and run water over it. Try it and see how long you can breathe for! They don't need to think they are drowning - the fact that every breath makes the next one harder is enough to send people into spasms.

I am surprised as a bullying officer of the law you have not been taught this technique!!

 

[Questions]

You put a towel over someone's nose and mouth and run water over it. Try it and see how long you can breathe for! They don't need to think they are drowning - the fact that every breath makes the next one harder is enough to send people into spasms.

I am surprised as a bullying officer of the law you have not been taught this technique!!

Couldn`t we just flick then with the towel. That really stings.

 

[Elvis]

Couldn`t we just flick then with the towel. That really stings.

When playing Sunday league we used to spray deep heat on some unsuspecting team mates boxers. when the spray starts to work around the nads ever the toughest terrorist would sing like a budgie...

I'm in no way endorsing torture, but, maybe this could be an alternative. From memory it didn't have any long lasting effects and the victim was usually ok to get his round in!

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Couldn`t we just flick then with the towel. That really stings.

Nipple cripples.
Armpit twists.
Pressure points.

Much more effective.

 

[biggles]

Don't really think torture is acceptable.

however terrorism is fine

 

[Srixon]

The Sun is disgusting; on Twitpic The Sun is disgusting; on Twitpic

Well don't read it then you libel mong. I never read the guardian because it sprouts your leftie views and everyone knows what that has brought for the last 12 years.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Using that logic you would shut all the prisons too?

I don't think there is any comparison to be made between prison and torture.

 

[cannedheat]

Quality publication, read by the real working class, The Currant Bun Numero Uno.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Can someone explain to me exactly how torture prevented the London bombings happening?

 

[clapham_gull]

Because of the nature of the enemy we are dealing with, completely counter productive.

I'd imagine that picture is already in circulation backing up the views of extremists.

Before the powers that be attempt anything else like that, I'd advise them to ring a PR consultant before a security expert.

 

[Aldo]

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I don't even class waterboarding as torture, I'd put it in the same bracket as sleep deprivation and stress positions.

Which are also torture The Universal Declaration of Human Rights http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RL32438.pdf

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Can someone explain to me exactly how torture prevented the London bombings happening?

Did waterboarding prevent a similar atrocity as Bush seemed to claim? Or did tortue and Guantanamo exacerbate the threat?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Can someone explain the technicalities of waterboarding to me?

I understand its something to do with making people feel like they're drowning. But if they know they're being waterboarded, then wouldn't they know they're not really drowning?

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[Lewes' best seagull]

I am not sure point 2 would be as easy as that. Detention levels are a period of 20+ days (or years in the case of Guantanamo), so I am sure they could investigate as to whether the information was false or not.

Isn't it more about the quick decision that they make with the evidence that they 'acquire', rather than after a period of research? So maybe it would be too late to find out that the information is false.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

City and Utd obviously haven't heard we don't use torture.

 

[Bwian]

Filthy rag-not even fit for lining the cat's litter tray.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Which are also torture The Universal Declaration of Human Rights http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RL32438.pdf

That's my point. It's easy for someone sitting in an office at UN headquarters to say that none of this stuff should happen. In an ideal world it wouldn't, but this isn't an ideal world. If you've just captured a bloke who's trying to kill you, and who has information that could prevent others getting killed then you need to do what's neccessary to get the information.

It's a bit of a paradox that we're at war with an enemy who is happy to kidnap and behead civilians and which has a brutal reputation on human rights, but there's moral outrage when people discover that we've used a couple of interrogation tecniques. I bet the taliban are pissing themselves laughing at this.

Also, I personally know two situations in the last 5 years where a person has been arrested in an EU country and been beaten by the police and subjected to sleep deprivation then forced to sign something in a foreign language, probably to say those things didn't happen. This stuff goes on, even over here let alone in a war situation.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

That's my point. It's easy for someone sitting in an office at UN headquarters to say that none of this stuff should happen. In an ideal world it wouldn't, but this isn't an ideal world. If you've just captured a bloke who's trying to kill you, and who has information that could prevent others getting killed then you need to do what's neccessary to get the information.

The point about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is that it wasn't written by "someone sitting in an office at UN headquarters".

It was written in 1948, three years after the end of one of the most brutal and inhuman wars in history, not by faceless bureaucrats, but by men and women who had seen at first hand what the denial of human rights could mean - millions of people killed, made homeless, degraded. Torture was a brutal reality, fully understood at the time. No ifs, no buts, the nations of the world understood that such atrocities should NEVER be tolerated again.

If we start accepting torture as a reasonable response to circumstances, we are on the slippery slope to a repeat of the same tragedy that the UN was established to prevent.

 

[Don Quixote]

The headline "Gotcha" says it all doesn't it. A horrible "newspaper" run by a right wing lunatic who is trying to take over our media industry.