[Politics] The Labour Government

[Curious Orange]

I agree. Even if the UK spent close to 2% of the gross national income on ending slavery throughout the world. the people whose distant ancestors were slaves would still be demanding more. We know that, because that's what the British Empire did in the first half of the 19th century, not only to abolish slavery in the Empire, but also around the world.

We should apologise to any surviving slaves and perhaps their children, but the rest is history.

From a British point of view slavery was abolished 1807, and the final slaves in the colonies were freed in 1838. Good luck finding anyone to apologise to.

There is nobody alive today who can demonstrate that their life is worse because of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, which the British Empire forced an end to by going against the international law of the time by using the Royal Navy to physically intervene and stop it.

So, I'm with Starmer, better to help deal with the real problems of now.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

What are Gen X’s like, do you recruit in that age group?

Gen X? Problem with them, they're too (Billy) Idol.

 

[Commander]

What are Gen X’s like, do you recruit in that age group?

Only for someone who would have a lot of experience in what we do, most of which have their own companies by now and wouldn’t want to work for us. They aren’t going to take an entry level role.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I disagree. It can do, but it can also do the opposite. I've interviewed so many Grads and said "Why did you go to Uni, and why did you choose to study xxx?" A large proportion of them pretty much say they didn't know what else to do. Staying in education is the easy option for many people.

I guess I fall into this category. The sole reason I went to university was to move to London. When I was 15 I visited an older friend at uni in the smoke and liked the idea the government would pay for me to move to there; they'd fund my accomodation and give me spending money. Bingo! I only chose my subject because it was the one I was best at and therefore gave me the best chance of getting to London. When I graduated I had no idea what I wanted to do either. That said, I did apply myself; I had to. There is no way I could learn new things and get a decent grade. This must also be the case for most people?

 

[beorhthelm]

From a British point of view slavery was abolished 1807, and the final slaves in the colonies were freed in 1838. Good luck finding anyone to apologise to.

There is nobody alive today who can demonstrate that their life is worse because of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, which the British Empire forced an end to by going against the international law of the time by using the Royal Navy to physically intervene and stop it.

So, I'm with Starmer, better to help deal with the real problems of now.

that's a good point. i believe GDP per capita in Caribbean is higher than most African nations, so arguable they are better off. the notion of reparation is so fraught with problems, who'd be eligable, who'd pay, i'm convinced it's only raised by people who want to stir up contention.

 

[Commander]

I guess I fall into this category. The sole reason I went to university was to move to London. When I was 15 I visited an older friend at uni in the smoke and liked the idea the government would pay for me to move to there; they'd fund my accomodation and give me spending money. Bingo! I only chose my subject because it was the one I was best at and therefore gave me the best chance of getting to London. When I graduated I had no idea what I wanted to do either. That said, I did apply myself; I had to. There is no way I could learn new things and get a decent grade. This must also be the case for most people?

I think that's a perfectly good reason for going to Uni. But I don't think it shows that you were somebody who would apply yourself- the fact that you did isn't necessarily relevant to the fact that you went.

I'm the opposite, I never considered going to Uni because I didn't like the idea of having to do a load more hard work. Had I known it was going to be necking 50p WKDs on a Tuesday night and smoking weed all day I would probably have gone.

 

[Chicken Run]

I guess I fall into this category. The sole reason I went to university was to move to London. When I was 15 I visited an older friend at uni in the smoke and liked the idea the government would pay for me to move to there; they'd fund my accomodation and give me spending money. Bingo! I only chose my subject because it was the one I was best at and therefore gave me the best chance of getting to London. When I graduated I had no idea what I wanted to do either. That said, I did apply myself; I had to. There is no way I could learn new things and get a decent grade. This must also be the case for most people?

You see the Conservative Government wasn’t all bad HT

 

[RandyWanger]

From a British point of view slavery was abolished 1807, and the final slaves in the colonies were freed in 1838. Good luck finding anyone to apologise to.

There is nobody alive today who can demonstrate that their life is worse because of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, which the British Empire forced an end to by going against the international law of the time by using the Royal Navy to physically intervene and stop it.

So, I'm with Starmer, better to help deal with the real problems of now.

I don't think there was ever an apology for the estimated 1 million to 2.5 million European (mostly women and children) kidnapped and sold into North Africa.

 

[Titanic]

Rachel Reeves: Chancellor changes debt rules to release billions

Reeves has said the government will change these rules to free up billions for spending on big projects.

www.bbc.co.uk

Or maybe that should say: Chancellor changes the rules so she can spend shitloads of money we don't have.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Rachel Reeves: Chancellor changes debt rules to release billions

Reeves has said the government will change these rules to free up billions for spending on big projects.

www.bbc.co.uk

Or maybe that should say: Chancellor changes the rules so she can spend shitloads of money we don't have.

Also from that:

The chancellor cited top economists as backing the move including Mark Carney and Andrew Haldane, as well as former Conservative Treasury minister Jim O’Neill.

 

[carlzeiss]

that's a good point. i believe GDP per capita in Caribbean is higher than most African nations, so arguable they are better off. the notion of reparation is so fraught with problems, who'd be eligable, who'd pay, i'm convinced it's only raised by people who want to stir up contention.

And of course the Caribbean was just a staging point for many slaves from Africa as from there on they would be sold on and transported to the USA . So perhaps the descendants of the trade in the USA have a claim on the UK government for reparation payments also .

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You see the Conservative Government wasn’t all bad HT

And it was the Labour Party which introduced paying tuition fees which I strongly disagree with.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Rachel Reeves: Chancellor changes debt rules to release billions

Reeves has said the government will change these rules to free up billions for spending on big projects.

www.bbc.co.uk

Or maybe that should say: Chancellor changes the rules so she can spend shitloads of money we don't have.

But it was okay for your beloved Tory party to TRIPLE the national debt whilst in power?

The Tories have always been the party of borrow and not pay back.

The Tories have always borrowed more than Labour, and always repaid less: they are the party of big deficit spending

It is often suggested that Labour is profligate and the Tories are the naturally ‘safe pair of hands’ when it comes to running the economy. The Tories, it is presumed, do not borrow as much as Labour. This is a hypothesis I have tested before. I thought it time to...

www.taxresearch.org.uk

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think that's a perfectly good reason for going to Uni. But I don't think it shows that you were somebody who would apply yourself- the fact that you did isn't necessarily relevant to the fact that you went.

I agree. The simple act of going to university isn’t a marker for applying oneself, I saw plenty of slackers. Coming out the other end with a decent qualification is though. You need to apply yourself to get a half decent grade.

 

[Titanic]

Beloved is stretching it... and this is about the Labour Party. Can you imagine the furore from the opposition benches if the Tories had moved the goalposts like this?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Wow, the credit card will take a further battering under Labour, who'd have thunk it?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Beloved is stretching it... and this is about the Labour Party. Can you imagine the furore from the opposition benches if the Tories had moved the goalposts like this?

I can’t speak for the benches BUT I can tell you I have always been a fan of borrowing to fund infrastructure investment. If you scroll through this site you’ll find posts from me criticizing Cameron and Osborne for wasting an opportunity and not spending during the credit crunch.

 

[fly high]

From a British point of view slavery was abolished 1807, and the final slaves in the colonies were freed in 1838. Good luck finding anyone to apologise to.

There is nobody alive today who can demonstrate that their life is worse because of the trans-Atlantic slave trade, which the British Empire forced an end to by going against the international law of the time by using the Royal Navy to physically intervene and stop it.

So, I'm with Starmer, better to help deal with the real problems of now.

Read they are trying to get £1m per person living in the Caribbean!!!

 

[timbha]

I agree. The simple act of going to university isn’t a marker for applying oneself, I saw plenty of slackers. Coming out the other end with a decent qualification is though. You need to apply yourself to get a half decent grade.

Isn’t it in the Uni’s best interests for it’s students to get high grades?

 

[Titanic]

I can’t speak for the benches BUT I can tell you I have always been a fan of borrowing to fund infrastructure investment. If you scroll through this site you’ll find posts from me criticizing Cameron and Osborne for wasting an opportunity and not spending during the credit crunch.

Shame Brown and Blair went for the benighted PFI quick fixes.