[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Is it PotG?]

I'm sure Jezza will have ALL the answers for Andrew Neil later this evening, maybe some specifically directed freebie handouts to quash the antisemitism rumours.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

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Labour +5% during a period of time where the media are forced to provide balanced coverage of policy proposals and Johnson is required to expose himself to questioning.

Who'd have thought it?

 

[The Clamp]

From the Chief Rabbi:

Quote:
“I am delighted to congratulate Boris Johnson, a longstanding friend and champion of the Jewish community, on becoming the next leader of the Conservative Party and our next Prime Minister. As he accepts upon himself the mantle of responsibility to lead our nation, may he be blessed with the wisdom to successfully navigate the political uncertainties we face and bring healing and prosperity to our great country.”

Quite. You want to protect your tax free earnings, you want to protect your business and property interests? If these run into the tens of billions you side with the Tory party not a marmalade preserving equality champion.. No brainer.

Equally, if you are a politician and want to gain traction in international business affairs, you side with the head of a billion pound corporation and the head of one of the most powerful entities in London.

Follow the money. Always follow the money.

 

[Live by the sea]

I think I understand his motives.

Rubbish..

 

[WATFORD zero]

Labour is rife with anti Semitism. The 'front bench' are (supposedly) in charge of the party. They are the leaders (supposedly). Actions speak louder than words. Corbyn (front bench leader etc) is not dealing with anti Semitism and when the Chief Rabii makes a statement to say anti Semitism in labour is "a new poison - sanctioned from the very top", trying to argue semantics rather than accept the serious problem of racism is exactly the problem

You see If I was going to say the leadership of the Conservative party were Homophobic, Racist and Islamophobic, I would provide some direct evidence of Homophobia, racism and Islamophobia to back up my claim. Something like this

"There's the Muslim women going around looking like letter boxes, you referred to tribal warriors with watermelon smiles, and flag-waving piccanninies and just to get another demographic in tank topped bum boys."

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/question-time-boris-johnson-muslims-gay-people-1-6390550

All I'm asking is that you back up your statement that

Don't disagree but a labour front bench and party full of anti semites is, at the very very least, no better

with some similar evidence

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Divide and conquer

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[The Clamp]

Rubbish..

Well, you've stumped me there

To put it in basic terms. Forget any religious aspect. The Chief Rabbi is the head of a billion, probably trillion pound corporation with business interests, tax free holdings, land and property across the globe. Am I surprised they are in bed with the Tory party? No.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

BTW, Jake Lambert and Labour are fighting a superb campaign in Eastbourne.

Vigorous, intelligent and positive.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Archbishop of Canterbury has in the last hour tweeted a message in a show of support for the chief Rabbi. Please remember that the argument that the Conservatives have a few issues themselves of isolated racism does not mean that the widespread , institutional and accepted anti Semitic language and mindset within labour under Corbyn can somehow be excused, it can’t.

Tradionally the majority of Jewish people voted labour just like in America where most voted democrat. This has only changed since Corbyn took over as leader. Historically there were no major issues with anti Semitic behaviour within the Labour Party.

Robert Peston who is Jewish but very rarely mentions his religion has tweeted today about how bad it has got for the chief rabbi to make such a statement. Traditionally the chief rabbi has sent goodwill messages to all PM’s in this country be it labour or Tory so the insinuation that he only supports Tory PM’s is not true.

I wouldn't respond with whataboutism to claims about antisemitism without your frankly laughable statement above. Just because it isn't in your face from the media, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Baroness Wasri, former chairperson of the Conservative Party and now member of the House of Lords must be wrong then when she says "institutional Islamophobia within the Conservative Party"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/13/lady-warsi-hits-out-at-tory-failure-to-tackle-islamophobia
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/warsi-attacks-matt-hancock-for-whitesplaining-racism-vwphlmx8c
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/baroness-warsi-is-spot-on-when-she-accuses-tories-of-whitesplaining-racism-922548
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/107956/tories-failing-tackle-islamophobia-their-ranks

and none of the main press jumping on Tory incidents of antisemtism...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-candidate-suspended-amjad-bashir-antisemitism-leeds-election-a9210591.html
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/aberdeen-north-tory-candidate-ryan-20911180

Jewish Labour supporters have very little voice at the moment as their own faith is marginalising them. But there is a strong Jewish movement still within the Labour Party. No one is saying Labour have handled the issue antisemitism at all well, but the vilification and attacks are quite something. The chief rabbi at the very least should explain his support of the Tory Party, and his friendship with Boris Johnson. A religious leader getting this involved in secular election requires balance and honesty and he's not done that.

I'll finish with the #jews4labour movement...

https://jamiesternweiner.wordpress.com/2019/11/12/jews4labour/

 

[ManOfSussex]

BTW, Jake Lambert and Labour are fighting a superb campaign in Eastbourne.

Vigorous, intelligent and positive.

I met and spoke to him on Saturday outside Eastbourne station, he seemed a good bloke.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This happened in Rotherham which is staunch Labour, and a safe seat.

An elderly Labour supporter was taken to hospital with a suspected broken jaw after he was attacked on a doorstep while campaigning in South Yorkshire.

The 72-year-old retired plasterer, who The Independent has chosen not to name, was allegedly assaulted by a man while canvassing in the village of Hellaby, in Rotherham, on Sunday afternoon.

Police have since arrested a 51-year-old man on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm (GBH).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ion-hellaby-rotherham-yorkshire-a9216646.html

A Labour lady in her 70s, was also assaulted in Herefordshire, thrown over a car bonnet, resulting in cracked ribs.
West Mercia Police, told the Hereford Times that officers were called and spoke to the victim, who said she 'did not wish for charges to be brought'.

 

[nicko31]

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Always the same 52-53 remain, 47-48 leave....

 

[Live by the sea]

Well, you've stumped me there

To put it in basic terms. Forget any religious aspect. The Chief Rabbi is the head of a billion, probably trillion pound corporation with business interests, tax free holdings, land and property across the globe. Am I surprised they are in bed with the Tory party? No.

The chief rabbi is head of a billion probably trillion pound corporation with land and property across the globe. ! What utter crap. Sounds suspiciously like your mindset is the usual extreme lefty and somewhat racist one that Jews own all the property in the world and control the media blah blah which is why it’s fine to be nasty to them..

Pathetic .

 

[Chicken Run]

You see If I was going to say the leadership of the Conservative party were Homophobic, Racist and Islamophobic, I would provide some direct evidence of Homophobia, racism and Islamophobia to back up my claim. Something like this

"There's the Muslim women going around looking like letter boxes, you referred to tribal warriors with watermelon smiles, and flag-waving piccanninies and just to get another demographic in tank topped bum boys."

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/question-time-boris-johnson-muslims-gay-people-1-6390550

All I'm asking is that you back up your statement that with some similar evidence

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5885339/jeremy-corbyn-fury-anti-semitic-art/amp/


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-supported-antisemitic-mural-mc7c9qxw6

 

[Moshe Gariani]

I met and spoke to him on Saturday outside Eastbourne station, he seemed a good bloke.

Good to hear. He is an excellent bloke - local state school teacher. Simply believes in Labour policies and works hard to communicate positively and persuade people.

People who might vote Labour in Eastbourne choosing to vote tactically for Lib Dems has long been a tricky issue though. I have done it myself before, and a "keep Ansell out" and "one less Tory in Westminster" logic remains hard to refute, but this time I will vote Labour because I want to vote for what I believe in.

I want as many votes as possible registered in support of this Labour manifesto and the idea that a real change to what we have come to accept as normal in this country must be possible. This will be a long term process but it is what I want for my son and for the rest of his generation to benefit from - compared to the dismal self-interest that has held sway for most of my adult life.

 

[The Clamp]

The chief rabbi is head of a billion probably trillion pound corporation with land and property across the globe. ! What utter crap. Sounds suspiciously like your mindset is the usual extreme lefty and somewhat racist one that Jews own all the property in the world and control the media blah blah which is why it’s fine to be nasty to them..

Pathetic .

Firstly, let me set you absolutely straight on something. I want this to be unequivocal so as to avoid any further confusion. I am not racist. I am not anti-semitic. I do not subscribe to any theory of jews running the world. I am not extreme left. Do not accuse me of such things again.

Religion is big business. The Tory party look after big business and expect to be looked after by big business. This is an example of that. Nothing more. The Rabbi should not expect to avoid scrutiny by crying anti-semitism.

I am not religious and I can objectively analyse such matters without hysterically crying racism. It's business. End of.

NB. You don't think all religions have masses of wealth, property and business interests? Get a clue.

 

[Live by the sea]

Good to hear. He is an excellent bloke - local state school teacher. Simply believes in Labour policies and works hard to communicate positively and persuade people.

People who might vote Labour in Eastbourne choosing to vote tactically for Lib Dems has long been a tricky issue though. I have done it myself before, and a "keep Ansell out" and "one less Tory in Westminster" logic remains hard to refute, but this time I will vote Labour because I want to vote for what I believe in.

I want as many votes as possible registered in support of this Labour manifesto and the idea that a real change to what we have come to accept as normal in this country must be possible. This will be a long term process but it is what I want for my son and for the rest of his generation to benefit from - compared to the dismal self-interest that has held sway for most of my adult life.

Real change, oh you mean nationalising the railways so they have no incentive to run on time because their state owned and no one can complain. Oh you mean massively increasing tax on hard working parents who may want to leave their house or flat to their children. ( heaven forbid ) oh you mean getting rid of our nuclear deterrent so we are a sitting duck for every loony dictator out there oh and give squatters more rights to break into people’s property and not get thrown straight out. Oh yes change under Corbyn will be great if you are workshy , jealous of other people’s success and are happy to live in a country where the state monitor your every move because they own the internet provider you are using. I suggest you go live in Venezuela if you like Corbyn and his extreme socialism so much.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Good to hear. He is an excellent bloke - local state school teacher. Simply believes in Labour policies and works hard to communicate positively and persuade people.

People who might vote Labour in Eastbourne choosing to vote tactically for Lib Dems has long been a tricky issue though. I have done it myself before, and a "keep Ansell out" and "one less Tory in Westminster" logic remains hard to refute, but this time I will vote Labour because I want to vote for what I believe in.

I want as many votes as possible registered in support of this Labour manifesto and the idea that a real change to what we have come to accept as normal in this country must be possible. This will be a long term process but it is what I want for my son and for the rest of his generation to benefit from - compared to the dismal self-interest that has held sway for most of my adult life.

We mentioned tactical voting and he understood why people do it, but he gave a very persuasive argument as to why people should have a choice and vote for him and he pointed out Stephen Lloyd's record in the coalition after originally saying he'd never serve in a David Cameron government and also his conversion back to arguing for revoking Article 50 and stopping Brexit, as per Lib Dem policy, having voted for the Withdrawal Agreement repeatedly in parliament.

I said I wasn't a constituent, but he was still happy to talk to me and put his case across and he spoke about the various protagonists from different parties in Hastings & Rye who he knew personally. Based on Saturday, if I lived in Eastbourne, I would vote for him.

 

[The Clamp]

Real change, oh you mean nationalising the railways so they have no incentive to run on time because their state owned and no one can complain. Oh you mean massively increasing tax on hard working parents who may want to leave their house or flat to their children. ( heaven forbid ) oh you mean getting rid of our nuclear deterrent so we are a sitting duck for every loony dictator out there oh and give squatters more rights to break into people’s property and not get thrown straight out. Oh yes change under Corbyn will be great if you are workshy , jealous of other people’s success and are happy to live in a country where the state monitor your every move because they own the internet provider you are using. I suggest you go live in Venezuela if you like Corbyn and his extreme socialism so much.

Ah, I think I have the measure of you now. I feel silly for taking time to try and explain things to you. Pearls before swine and all that.

 

[A1X]

nationalising the railways so they have no incentive to run on time because their state owned and no one can complain

Well thank **** we've had such incredible punctuality under Southern Rail and Thameslink in the private sector.