[Albion] The Chelsea wins.....and reactions to them.

[dazzer6666]

Bizarrely, according to different posters, people like me (who, full disclosure, takes every game at a time, never gets too high or low after a result – partly because caring for a currently acutely unwell Bobkin Jnr kinda takes priority over football and puts everything in life in perspective – and expects a defeat every time so anything else is a bonus) has been labeled both a 'so-called' fan, part of the 'prawn sandwich brigade' and also a 'super' fan. I wish they would make their minds up

Anyway, having called out posters on this board a couple of weeks ago for turning on other fans over a game of facking football, I'm in danger of doing the same myself, so I'm bailing out of this particular conversations and will try to do so in other threads. Personally I hate the terms but, for every 'bet-wetter', there appears to be a 'licker'. Maybe, just maybe, there are just a load of fans who all love the Albion (but not the manager), but have a different way of processing games or results.

Call it 'woke' or whatever, but maybe we should ALL be a bit more mindful of everyone else and their opinions and let them do life the way they see fit.

Wetters to the left, lickers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you

 

[Flounce]

Your post was good up to there, and then sadly went to bollocks.

Why are you getting so peevish now you have ceased to be 'only at home'?

I think it's you that's getting 'better fan than you' syndrome
The only people invoking that trope are the Fab Out contingent, who can't bring themselves to say Fab out after the last 2 wins,
But will no doubt be back on track, saying 'Fab Out' after the next defeat.

Interesting that you explain the reasoning, though:
Finishing 9th 10th or 11th is 'par;'.
Wow.
That would be our equal second, 4th and 5th best finishes in the club's history.
Par.
I was not expecting you to become entitled.

I think this is a room I need to leave.
I'm beginning to taste a little sick in my mouth

You CANNOT leave the room, as the thread starter the room is in your house, would you leave your house to two argumentative groups of football fans?
Suck it up and keep going


I will stay outside with my face pressed to the window. As a disgruntled at times “fence”, I have no meaningful input.

 

[Balders]

This thread just about sums up Culture in it's broadest term in the here and now. Of course everybody has the right to vent after a 7-0 tonking, it's the way the minority vented which was totally irrational (imho) Because this response was irrational, it was amplified and then became a thread between "Bedwetters" and "Lickers" with a sprinkling of who's a bad fan and who isn't. Those that weren't quite as irrational took offense because the spectrum of "Fab Out" was so wide - it's perfectly acceptable to question the Manager, but again the minority within this group, were so "out there" (again imho!) and that's what this thread was about.

Some of the stuff about expecting a refund and the vitriol towards FH were laughable at best. Again a minority are expecting, because they paid "x" for a train fare and "y" for a ticket, that they have some kind of right for their thoughts (irrational) to be raised directly with the Board - wake up and smell the coffee

If you do your homework and listen to PB (there are quite a few podcasts/videos out there) one of the Club's biggest challenges is managing the fans expectations - the result at Forest was a perfect example of this. Fans don't have to spend "x" on a train fare or "y" for a ticket, they don't have to support the club, but TB is "all in" with his own money and has proved year after year, that we should be able to trust him - the majority do, but it's the vociferous minority that don't. Whatever the minority say/want, it's actually moot, that's the point.

It's like the "we've spent £200m" so we should be qualifying for Europe - is this some kind of free pass based on money and we shouldn't even bother playing 38 games? You could buy one fully grown spectacular plant for £20 or 10 seedlings for £2 each - two different ways of spending £20 and doing the latter you could end up with 5 decent plants and 5 duds letting them grow, but at the end of the day you've got 5 decent plants as opposed to 1 spectacular one. Also don't forget that spending £200m on players isn't the only financial consideration - you've got to bake in wages (for which we have a structure that we won't break!) and potential resale value.

The other thing that the Board are aware of is that clubs around us also don't want to stand still and if they drop the ball (to an extent) other clubs will overtake us - the likes of Bournemouth and Forest are perfect examples this season. Is it a bit unfair on us Brighton fans that they are also improving or should this just be reserved for us Brighton fans?

We are not in any worse of a position at this stage of the season than other recent seasons, there is absolutely no reason to knee jerk - if you don't like the model, don't support the club, you ain't gonna change it, whatever daft things you say!

 

[jackalbion]

This thread just about sums up Culture in it's broadest term in the here and now. Of course everybody has the right to vent after a 7-0 tonking, it's the way the minority vented which was totally irrational (imho) Because this response was irrational, it was amplified and then became a thread between "Bedwetters" and "Lickers" with a sprinkling of who's a bad fan and who isn't. Those that weren't quite as irrational took offense because the spectrum of "Fab Out" was so wide - it's perfectly acceptable to question the Manager, but again the minority within this group, were so "out there" (again imho!) and that's what this thread was about.

Some of the stuff about expecting a refund and the vitriol towards FH were laughable at best. Again a minority are expecting, because they paid "x" for a train fare and "y" for a ticket, that they have some kind of right for their thoughts (irrational) to be raised directly with the Board - wake up and smell the coffee

If you do your homework and listen to PB (there are quite a few podcasts/videos out there) one of the Club's biggest challenges is managing the fans expectations - the result at Forest was a perfect example of this. Fans don't have to spend "x" on a train fare or "y" for a ticket, they don't have to support the club, but TB is "all in" with his own money and has proved year after year, that we should be able to trust him - the majority do, but it's the vociferous minority that don't. Whatever the minority say/want, it's actually moot, that's the point.

It's like the "we've spent £200m" so we should be qualifying for Europe - is this some kind of free pass based on money and we shouldn't even bother playing 38 games? You could buy one fully grown spectacular plant for £20 or 10 seedlings for £2 each - two different ways of spending £20 and doing the latter you could end up with 5 spectacular plants and 5 duds letting them grow, but at the end of the day you've got 5 decent plants as opposed to 1 spectacular one. Also don't forget that spending £200m on players isn't the only financial consideration - you've got to bake in wages (for which we have a structure that we won't break!) and potential resale value.

The other thing that the Board are aware of is that clubs around us also don't want to stand still and if they drop the ball (to an extent) other clubs will overtake us - the likes of Bournemouth and Forest are perfect examples this season. Is it a bit unfair on us Brighton fans that they are also improving or should this just be reserved for us Brighton fans?

We are not in any worse of a position at this stage of the season than other recent seasons, there is absolutely no reason to knee jerk - if you don't like the model, don't support the club, you ain't gonna change it, whatever daft things you say!

I agree with most of that, except the last line, I don't get the 'if you don't like the model, don't support the club'. I think everyone shows their support differently, and if they want to do it that way, then that's fine, I just wouldn't agree with it. The club is more than Tony Bloom ultimately and for all he has done good, the real point of club, is the community surrounding it and the fans, not just what the board is doing. As much as it is a business the business isn't there without the community of fans, opinions, etc surrounding it.

Although I don't think anyone is expecting their view to be raised with the board, its just a discussion on the topic, if you are thinking your view will be raised with the board on here, then you are a deluded idiot. I've never agreed with getting a refund after a big loss, you don't pay to win when you buy a football ticket.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I agree with most of that, except the last line, I don't get the 'if you don't like the model, don't support the club'. I think everyone shows their support differently, and if they want to do it that way, then that's fine, I just wouldn't agree with it. The club is more than Tony Bloom ultimately and for all he has done good, the real point of club, is the community surrounding it and the fans, not just what the board is doing. As much as it is a business the business isn't there without the community of fans, opinions, etc surrounding it.

Although I don't think anyone is expecting their view to be raised with the board, its just a discussion on the topic, if you are thinking your view will be raised with the board on here, then you are a deluded idiot. I've never agreed with getting a refund after a big loss, you don't pay to win when you buy a football ticket.

If I thought we were getting a refund I'd have kept my strawberry beer receipts from the Canal House

Good post and I agree. And Tony, as a fan, would nod along I believe. At one side there is "the process" that keeps us viable, sustainable and competitive in one of the best leagues in the world. But, on the other, it would be meaningless if there wasn't a community of people to appreciate it.

 

[Balders]

I agree with most of that, except the last line, I don't get the 'if you don't like the model, don't support the club'. I think everyone shows their support differently, and if they want to do it that way, then that's fine, I just wouldn't agree with it. The club is more than Tony Bloom ultimately and for all he has done good, the real point of club, is the community surrounding it and the fans, not just what the board is doing. As much as it is a business the business isn't there without the community of fans, opinions, etc surrounding it.

Although I don't think anyone is expecting their view to be raised with the board, its just a discussion on the topic, if you are thinking your view will be raised with the board on here, then you are a deluded idiot. I've never agreed with getting a refund after a big loss, you don't pay to win when you buy a football ticket.

Not going to disagree with most of that, apart from the differentiation of the very vociferous irrational minority who I don't believe give two hoots to community, women's football and all the other great work that the Cub are doing outside of the men's first team - their lives seem to be totally dependent on the result of the men's first team matches

 

[jackalbion]

Not going to disagree with most of that, apart from the differentiation of the very vociferous irrational minority who I don't believe give two hoots to community, women's football and all the other great work that the Cub are doing outside of the men's first team - their lives seem to be totally dependent on the result of the men's first team matches

Ultimately following the men's team is part of that community.

 

[SeagullsoverLondon]

I agree with most of that, except the last line, I don't get the 'if you don't like the model, don't support the club'. I think everyone shows their support differently, and if they want to do it that way, then that's fine, I just wouldn't agree with it. The club is more than Tony Bloom ultimately and for all he has done good, the real point of club, is the community surrounding it and the fans, not just what the board is doing. As much as it is a business the business isn't there without the community of fans, opinions, etc surrounding it.

Although I don't think anyone is expecting their view to be raised with the board, its just a discussion on the topic, if you are thinking your view will be raised with the board on here, then you are a deluded idiot. I've never agreed with getting a refund after a big loss, you don't pay to win when you buy a football ticket.

And the point is thankfully even Tony Bloom understands that. Unlike other owners he is not a meglamaniac, but genuinely wants the best for the club.
Therefore he won't make knee jerk reactions.

Like he did with Hughton, then RdZ he'll make the decision to move on the manager when the time is right, having considered the potential replacements.

 

[MJsGhost]

Bizarrely, according to different posters, people like me (who, full disclosure, takes every game at a time, never gets too high or low after a result – partly because caring for a currently acutely unwell Bobkin Jnr kinda takes priority over football and puts everything in life in perspective – and expects a defeat every time so anything else is a bonus) has been labeled both a 'so-called' fan, part of the 'prawn sandwich brigade' and also a 'super' fan. I wish they would make their minds up

Anyway, having called out posters on this board a couple of weeks ago for turning on other fans over a game of facking football, I'm in danger of doing the same myself, so I'm bailing out of this particular conversations and will try to do so in other threads. Personally I hate the terms but, for every 'bet-wetter', there appears to be a 'licker'. Maybe, just maybe, there are just a load of fans who all love the Albion (but not the manager), but have a different way of processing games or results.

Call it 'woke' or whatever, but maybe we should ALL be a bit more mindful of everyone else and their opinions and let them do life the way they see fit.

Sending Bobkin Jnr all the best (and you and the rest of the family - it must be tough for everyone).

Top post BTW - I couldn't agree more.

Football attracts all sorts and it is experienced and processed in a different way by all of them. There are plenty of reactions I see that, to me, are way OTT and I find it hard to understand how little patience/logic/empathy people have to hold those views. Mind you, I find it hard to understand how my wife (who I love dearly) doesn't make sure that there's a pan of boiling water bubbling away on the hob at the point she needs it instead of rooting around for a pan and filling the kettle WHEN SHE SHOULD BE PUTTING THE VEG IN.
Both situations are met with a wry smile even though I will never agree or understand

 

[MJsGhost]

And the point is thankfully even Tony Bloom understands that. Unlike other owners he is not a meglamaniac, but genuinely wants the best for the club.
Therefore he won't make knee jerk reactions.

Like he did with Hughton, then RdZ he'll make the decision to move on the manager when the time is right, having considered the potential replacements.

This. I don't have blind faith that every decision TB makes will be the correct one, but I am 100% confident that his motives are absolutely spotlessly clean and in the club's favour. His overall record suggests that he is usually on the money and there's also a school of thought that if everything you try works, you're probably playing too safe - I don't mind the odd misstep if I have faith that it'll be put right.

I'm not sure there are many fans of other clubs who wouldn't want their version of TB at the helm of their club.

 

[nickjhs]

You've highlighted the difference between now and then, the club is now a completely different beast to then. It doesn't help to compare to back in the day, when we're talking about the then and now. In theory we can never be unhappy until we're 90th in the football league as per our lowest point. I think @El Presidente's comparison of 14th highest budget is a much much better barometer.

Absolute bullshit strawman. The club is brilliantly run, we are doing well even by PL standards, we have a young squad and manager who are keeping us in the top half of the league and yet some entitled f**ktards want more. I actually think we will get more from this manager and squad, but as long as we remain competitive in this league and are not facing relegation I will be happy with any season as good as this one. And here's the thing, because we are so well run, and owned by a local life long fan I don't see the need to start yelling from the rooftops as if the management and owner of this club couldn't give a shit or doesn't have a clue. If you lot can't have respect for yourselves at least have respect and trust in the bloke who has poured 100s of millions of pounds into this club to get us where we are. TBH this rant of mine has just made me realise what it is that I despise so much about the bullshit that has been rampant on here and its this, I am ashamed by the lack of respect and trust in Tony Bloom and how little some of you realise just how f***ing lucky we are to be where we are, playing the teams we are, beating the teams we beat. So many fans of other clubs have real concerns for the state of their club and here we are bitching that 10 in the PL is not good enough. Harry absolutely gave this thread the correct title

 

[Guinness Boy]

Absolute bullshit strawman. The club is brilliantly run, we are doing well even by PL standards, we have a young squad and manager who are keeping us in the top half of the league and yet some entitled f**ktards want more. I actually think we will get more from this manager and squad, but as long as we remain competitive in this league and are not facing relegation I will be happy with any season as good as this one. And here's the thing, because we are so well run, and owned by a local life long fan I don't see the need to start yelling from the rooftops as if the management and owner of this club couldn't give a shit or doesn't have a clue. If you lot can't have respect for yourselves at least have respect and trust in the bloke who has poured 100s of millions of pounds into this club to get us where we are. TBH this rant of mine has just made me realise what it is that I despise so much about the bullshit that has been rampant on here and its this, I am ashamed by the lack of respect and trust in Tony Bloom and how little some of you realise just how f***ing lucky we are to be where we are, playing the teams we are, beating the teams we beat. So many fans of other clubs have real concerns for the state of their club and here we are bitching that 10 in the PL is not good enough. Harry absolutely gave this thread the correct title

So what would you think of someone who set a target for us to have a Champions League season soon?

 

[jackalbion]

Absolute bullshit strawman. The club is brilliantly run, we are doing well even by PL standards, we have a young squad and manager who are keeping us in the top half of the league and yet some entitled f**ktards want more. I actually think we will get more from this manager and squad, but as long as we remain competitive in this league and are not facing relegation I will be happy with any season as good as this one. And here's the thing, because we are so well run, and owned by a local life long fan I don't see the need to start yelling from the rooftops as if the management and owner of this club couldn't give a shit or doesn't have a clue. If you lot can't have respect for yourselves at least have respect and trust in the bloke who has poured 100s of millions of pounds into this club to get us where we are. TBH this rant of mine has just made me realise what it is that I despise so much about the bullshit that has been rampant on here and its this, I am ashamed by the lack of respect and trust in Tony Bloom and how little some of you realise just how f***ing lucky we are to be where we are, playing the teams we are, beating the teams we beat. So many fans of other clubs have real concerns for the state of their club and here we are bitching that 10 in the PL is not good enough. Harry absolutely gave this thread the correct title

What an angry irrational response, to a pretty fair comment, what do you mean 'you lot'? I've watched this club for almost 30 years in all 4 divisions, I've travelled to 56 games to watch this club's various teams already this season, where have I said I don't trust and respect Tony Bloom? So I don't need to be told what good owner he is, I wouldn't put that commitment in if I didn't. Do I realise that we are lucky to be where we are, yes, almost all my friends who support other clubs, are languishing in National League South/North. Thanks to Tony Bloom I got to watch European football, 90% of English fans never get to do that. Does that mean we should always look at anything above relegation as permanent success? Expectations shift, and we should be looking up the table, and we should always strive to do better, will I ever call for Tony Bloom to go? No? I don't think I ever have, Top 10 is the premier league is good enough, no one is debating that. Just lots of strange pointed 'you' who is the 'you', people who irrationally support the club no matter what home and away every week?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Our last three finishes have been 9th, 6th and 11th and we are currently 10th. It's the new normal. Until it isn't.

I respect a lot of your posts on here in general but, for me, this is an "olive branch" thread.

OK, well I am not sure what to make of that.
But even if you think our present league position is our new normal you can't possible be in agreement with the 'FAB Out' gang, Shirley?
As for olive branches, aren't they normally a good thing (unless used as a stick to beat one with)?

Anyway, never mind.

 

[Guinness Boy]

OK, well I am not sure what to make of that.
But even if you think our present league position is our new normal you can't possible be in agreement with the 'FAB Out' gang, Shirley?
As for olive branches, aren't they normally a good thing (unless used as a stick to beat one with)?

Anyway, never mind.

I do - or certainly did - have quite serious misgivings about the wiseness of putting a young, inexperienced coach in charge of a squad of young, inexperienced players. Post Forest it just felt Hyypia like to me.

There were only two ways to follow that. Have a good old sort out and turn results around or spiral into a last third of the season that was somewhere between disastrous and underwhelming.

I’m very glad to see we have used the Forest fallout exclusively positively. But did I have my doubts? Yes. Yes I did.

 

[jackalbion]

OK, well I am not sure what to make of that.
But even if you think our present league position is our new normal you can't possible be in agreement with the 'FAB Out' gang, Shirley?
As for olive branches, aren't they normally a good thing (unless used as a stick to beat one with)?

Anyway, never mind.

The issue wasn't the position, and the 'FAB Out' gang seems to be twisted into, 'you don't respect Tony Bloom, you f**ktard' by some. This mysterious 'FAB out' gang who are still 'FAB out' seem to be a bogeyman figure who don't represent anyone. I just think it's strange to further divide the fanbase with these threads, much like when we had Potter. Everyone is happy when we win, and I don't think people are willing us to lose.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

TBF Tony has repeatedly said the aim is to be an established top 10 club, so that really means we need to finish there more often than not. Saying 10th is ‘par’ is bang on now imo - or, if you prefer corporate BS - ‘performance in line with expectations’.

It’s your room, BTW

Well, yes. Tony has ambition and expectation and I applaud that.
I am not sure I (or anyone else; albeit I have not read all the posts) have said anything that would signal anything different.
If we join the manager merry-go-round in the summer if we finish 11th, so be it. Tony's call.

Aside from the 'BW' in the thread title, and some comments about people starting multiple 'Fab out' and related threads, which I maintain is mock-worthy, I don't think I have besmirched anyone who has uncluttered misgivings about whether Fab is really the man we need.
And I see no reason why such folk can't see this thread title, tut a bit, and move on.
But the fact that the thread has smoked out a few exceedingly grumpy and irritable people is, I suppose, something I might have expected
And the fact some of them have invoked their own favourite tropes about those of us not yet on a protest march is probably also unsurprising.

It is not my room though.
Unlike some-arse hats who start a thread, see it has lit the blue touch paper (intentionally or not) then f*** off, I felt duty bound to stick around.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I do - or certainly did - have quite serious misgivings about the wiseness of putting a young, inexperienced coach in charge of a squad of young, inexperienced players. Post Forest it just felt Hyypia like to me.

There were only two ways to follow that. Have a good old sort out and turn results around or spiral into a last third of the season that was somewhere between disastrous and underwhelming.

I’m very glad to see we have used the Forest fallout exclusively positively. But did I have my doubts? Yes. Yes I did.

I knew we basically agreed.
I had my doubts too.
In fact I still do.
(Dicking Chelsea twice in a week is pretty funny, though. Perhaps I went a bit giddy over it

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The issue wasn't the position, and the 'FAB Out' gang seems to be twisted into, 'you don't respect Tony Bloom, you f**ktard' by some. This mysterious 'FAB out' gang who are still 'FAB out' seem to be a bogeyman figure who don't represent anyone. I just think it's strange to further divide the fanbase with these threads, much like when we had Potter. Everyone is happy when we win, and I don't think people are willing us to lose.

That's fair enough.
And, yes, the hyperbole has come from both ends of the self-identifying spectrum.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Bizarrely, according to different posters, people like me (who, full disclosure, takes every game at a time, never gets too high or low after a result – partly because caring for a currently acutely unwell Bobkin Jnr kinda takes priority over football and puts everything in life in perspective – and expects a defeat every time so anything else is a bonus) has been labeled both a 'so-called' fan, part of the 'prawn sandwich brigade' and also a 'super' fan. I wish they would make their minds up

Anyway, having called out posters on this board a couple of weeks ago for turning on other fans over a game of facking football, I'm in danger of doing the same myself, so I'm bailing out of this particular conversations and will try to do so in other threads. Personally I hate the terms but, for every 'bet-wetter', there appears to be a 'licker'. Maybe, just maybe, there are just a load of fans who all love the Albion (but not the manager), but have a different way of processing games or results.

Call it 'woke' or whatever, but maybe we should ALL be a bit more mindful of everyone else and their opinions and let them do life the way they see fit.

Yes. I am regretful now myself.
Some of the hostility and opprobrium makes me feel uncomfortable.
And of course I have contributed to it (started it, even).
I am going to put the thread on ignore now.