[Albion] The Chelsea wins.....and reactions to them.

[jackalbion]

Calling everyone bedwetters for having fair doubts over the manager, is a bit tedious and boring, we get it you always back the manager, pat on the back well done you. Too much holier than thou stuff though, people were rightly upset at that performance, and it doesn’t make you a better fan than someone who wasn’t. A lot of people who are sensible Brighton fans, who have a reasonable view of the team, had a lot of doubts after the Forest game, and that’s fair. The last two games have been fantastic, but there has also been some very dodgy moments this season. I don’t think it’s unfair to have shifting emotions, everyone watches football and gets emotional about it, and this boring topic about “bedwetters” goes round and round. Anyway I hope all these super fans who always back the manager no matter what etc, will be down at Culver Road on Tuesday to watch the U21 against Whitehawk, to show their super fan credentials off.

 

[pigmanovich]

Calling everyone bedwetters for having fair doubts over the manager, is a bit tedious and boring, we get it you always back the manager, pat on the back well done you. Too much holier than thou stuff though, people were rightly upset at that performance, and it doesn’t make you a better fan than someone who wasn’t. A lot of people who are sensible Brighton fans, who have a reasonable view of the team, had a lot of doubts after the Forest game, and that’s fair. The last two games has been fantastic, but there have been some very dodgy moments this season. I don’t think it’s unfair to have shifting emotions, everyone watches football and gets emotional about it, and this boring topic about “bedwetters” goes round and round. Anyway I hope all these super fans who always back the manager no matter what etc, will be down at Culver Road on Tuesday to watch the U21 against Whitehawk, to show their super fan credentials off.

Bit of a strawman this!

Shirley there’s a middle ground between “always backing” the manager and calling for a club statement, one where you criticize him for his mistakes - including the scale of the Forest defeat - but recognize he’s nonetheless worth sticking with, at least until the summer. It’s a spectrum of reaction isn’t it?

Anyway, it would be nice if we could get some fans interested in the women’s team, let alone the U21s.

 

[West Upper Seagull]

Calling everyone bedwetters for having fair doubts over the manager, is a bit tedious and boring, we get it you always back the manager, pat on the back well done you. Too much holier than thou stuff though, people were rightly upset at that performance, and it doesn’t make you a better fan than someone who wasn’t. A lot of people who are sensible Brighton fans, who have a reasonable view of the team, had a lot of doubts after the Forest game, and that’s fair. The last two games has been fantastic, but there have been some very dodgy moments this season. I don’t think it’s unfair to have shifting emotions, everyone watches football and gets emotional about it, and this boring topic about “bedwetters” goes round and round. Anyway I hope all these super fans who always back the manager no matter what etc, will be down at Culver Road on Tuesday to watch the U21 against Whitehawk, to show their super fan credentials off.

Well said Jack, I’m not ashamed to say I was one of those so called ’bedwetters’ because for me the Forest result and that team selection (which set us up to fail) felt like the straw that broke the camels back after the shocking performances against Everton, Palace, Southampton, Fulham, Brentford and throwing away 2-0 leads against Wolves & Leicester !

 

[jackalbion]

Bit of a strawman this!

Shirley there’s a middle ground between “always backing” the manager and calling for a club statement, one where you criticize him for his mistakes - including the scale of the Forest defeat - but recognize he’s nonetheless worth sticking with, at least until the summer. It’s a spectrum of reaction isn’t it?

Anyway, it would be nice if we could get some fans interested in the women’s team, let alone the U21s.

People say stuff in the raw emotion of a a few hours of a defeat, especially when people have got up at 5am and spent probably about £200 on their day, doesn’t mean they are bad fans! I think people can change their mind a few hours later after that, and not be accused of being bedwetters. I stand by my views on all the subjects, I think there were good reasons to be concerned after that game (especially when he said he’d do it again), he had to show he had the minerals to react that defeat, and he did. Great some people thought he was fine anyway, great, I’ve been relentless in backing the manager up to that point, and that he had to be given time, but a 7-0 defeat is probably a fair reasoning to cast serious doubt. Some people have not liked him since he arrived and that is unfair, but if people are getting het up because some people got upset after our worst defeat since 1958, then IMO, they aren’t accepting that people have very different raw emotions when it comes to football.

 

[nickjhs]

but if people are getting het up because some people got upset after our worst defeat since 1958, then IMO, they aren’t accepting that people have very different raw emotions when it comes to football.

It's not that people were upset, its idiotic way they went about it. I remember us all laughing at the Arsenal chavs losing their shit when we beat them for the first time. Fast forward a few years and I was cringing at some of the posts. Sure it wasn't nice to lose like that, but FFS this club is brilliantly run. I have confidence that they have the ability and resolve to get the best results possible and support them, rather than joining the mob going off like a bunch of chimpanzees screaming at something they don't like.

 

[jackalbion]

It's not that people were upset, its idiotic way they went about it. I remember us all laughing at the Arsenal chavs losing their shit when we beat them for the first time. Fast forward a few years and I was cringing at some of the posts. Sure it wasn't nice to lose like that, but FFS this club is brilliantly run. I have confidence that they have the ability and resolve to get the best results possible and support them, rather than joining the mob going off like a bunch of chimpanzees screaming at something they don't like.

But what is this mob screaming like Chimpanzees? I think most of the comments were completely fair. Some people on this forum, can never accept the possibility that TB or PB will ever make a mistake, it verges on delusion at some times, one poster seems to have a personal vendetta against RDZ as a result. All these people aren’t immune to criticism, and people need to realise it is possible to criticise and still want that person to prove them wrong, or still accept on the whole they’ve done well. I imagine if we had a Hyypia style appointment we’d still have people now saying TB and PB know what they are doing. For the record they’ve done an amazing job for the club, but they have made mistakes along the way and have learnt from it.

Saying you have the resolve to support them? I think most of the people who had doubts in the manager, have had enough resolve over the years to support the club, no need to question that, as I said it doesn’t make someone who on here said they had doubts a better supporter. I haven’t seen anyone in the stadium do a protest or a banner or such bollocks, people have wanted him to win. Expressing a doubt on here is not really that bad, it’s a forum it’s meant for that sort of thing.

 

[nickjhs]

But what is this mob screaming like Chimpanzees? I think most of the comments were completely fair. .

So calling for the sacking of the manager who has us top ten the whole season during his first six months in charge is fair and reasonable? Nah it's bloody ridiculous and embarrassing.

 

[jackalbion]

So calling for the sacking of the manager who has us top ten the whole season during his first six months in charge is fair and reasonable? Nah it's bloody ridiculous and embarrassing.

In your opinion.

I think people were rightly concerned, maybe some were harsher than others, but ultimately I don’t think some people who had concerns about the manager were ridiculous and embarrassing. I think this over reaction of people acting all high and mighty after we’ve won is far more ridiculous and embarrassing, we’ve won and the main takeaway you’ve had from it all is to get some “I’m a better fan“ brownie points, for backing the manager for a bit. People were pissed off after a 7-0 loss, that they paid a lot of money to watch, I think people are entitled to be a bit pissed off in the preceding hours, until coming to a lot more logical conclusion, all a bit boring really. Most of these people who wanted us to actively lose, apparently, probably turned up and wanted us to win. People didn’t want us to actively lose until he got sacked.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

So calling for the sacking of the manager who has us top ten the whole season during his first six months in charge is fair and reasonable? Nah it's bloody ridiculous and embarrassing.

So you're happy with the performances against Palace, Everton, and Forest and want us to play like that more often?

See, you're not the only one who can do that snide rhetorical-question shit.

 

[Justice]

Bring back RDZ, and the end of tedious threads!

As protests movements go.....that seems to be lacking a little protein.

It was a welcome two season break from the Potter weekly in out polls/threads which proves a point in itself consistently good managers don’t need weekly reviews.

 

[jcdenton08]

Stop doubling down. The overreaction was pathetic and not the behaviour of someone who SUPPORTS the club. Loads of the posts were actually embarrassing to read.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But by offering an opinion you waive the right not to be mocked if it’s a ridiculous one.

 

[oldboyroy]

Calling everyone bedwetters for having fair doubts over the manager, is a bit tedious and boring, we get it you always back the manager, pat on the back well done you. Too much holier than thou stuff though, people were rightly upset at that performance, and it doesn’t make you a better fan than someone who wasn’t. A lot of people who are sensible Brighton fans, who have a reasonable view of the team, had a lot of doubts after the Forest game, and that’s fair. The last two games have been fantastic, but there has also been some very dodgy moments this season. I don’t think it’s unfair to have shifting emotions, everyone watches football and gets emotional about it, and this boring topic about “bedwetters” goes round and round. Anyway I hope all these super fans who always back the manager no matter what etc, will be down at Culver Road on Tuesday to watch the U21 against Whitehawk, to show their super fan credentials off.

Yep, similar to my views too earlier in this thread. I'm quite critical when results and performances are poor especially when we have the quality of squad to be doing much better in some of the games (leads blown, Palace Everton Brentford Saints not to mention the Forest massacre!) It's entirely natural to react and be emotional. The last 2 wins have been good and more importantly, we've had better 90 min performances and shown better defending which, we had been all over the place at times!

 

[nickjhs]

So you're happy with the performances against Palace, Everton, and Forest and want us to play like that more often?

See, you're not the only one who can do that snide rhetorical-question shit.

Nothing rhetorical about it, genuine question if they thought demanding the sacking of a manager who has kept us in the top half of league all season was reasonable, personally I think its moronic, and no of course I wasn't happy with those results. But the way people were carrying on you'd think the manager and team were celebrating

 

[Guinness Boy]

So calling for the sacking of the manager who has us top ten the whole season during his first six months in charge is fair and reasonable? Nah it's bloody ridiculous and embarrassing.

Much easier to say from Australia than the train home from Nottingham.

 

[Justice]

So calling for the sacking of the manager who has us top ten the whole season during his first six months in charge is fair and reasonable? Nah it's bloody ridiculous and embarrassing.

League position isn’t everything though, we could have won the first 11 drawn a couple and then lost 10 in a row by four or more goals and still be in the same position. Do we forgive the ten defeats and say oh well we are still 10th?
Rightly so questions would be asked it’s the nature of the beast.

It’s no more embarrassing than some staunch FH fans on this thread saying Mitoma isn’t as good as he was and we should take the oil money. It’s a game of opinions no one rushed out to make a bedwetting should have sold Mitoma thread for a cheap score.

 

[The Optimist]

Much easier to say from Australia than the train home from Nottingham.

This is actually a fair point. I used to go to lots of games (all home games and probably about half the away games) but now I only get to a couple of games a season. And, it easier to stay calmer and more reasonable at a distance.

 

[nickjhs]

Much easier to say from Australia than the train home from Nottingham.

Yeah sure journeys home from an away loss aren't nice. But the difference between then and now, the club is in a far better position than ever before. Sure we took a thumping but seeing how the club is in such good hands it was clearly an anomaly and to get all bent out of shape was just daft. Not forgetting of course the Fab out nonsense started way before Forest.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Calling everyone bedwetters for having fair doubts over the manager, is a bit tedious and boring, we get it you always back the manager, pat on the back well done you. Too much holier than thou stuff though, people were rightly upset at that performance, and it doesn’t make you a better fan than someone who wasn’t. A lot of people who are sensible Brighton fans, who have a reasonable view of the team, had a lot of doubts after the Forest game, and that’s fair. The last two games have been fantastic, but there has also been some very dodgy moments this season. I don’t think it’s unfair to have shifting emotions, everyone watches football and gets emotional about it, and this boring topic about “bedwetters” goes round and round. Anyway I hope all these super fans who always back the manager no matter what etc, will be down at Culver Road on Tuesday to watch the U21 against Whitehawk, to show their super fan credentials off.

Agree. We could all see Fab's faults and the culmination of those faults lead to us getting absolutely annihilated. 7-0.

Worth noting that we've also had one shit manager in the last 15(?) years which certainly makes it harder to spot a dud.
Playing Hinsh on his own in midfield at Forest was on par with Hyypia playing March at CM at Derby. To me it was such a fundamental mistake I couldn't help but draw parallels.

Something has certainly happened this week though. They look and sound like they've had some proper crisis talks. The players have changed but more importantly Fab has adapted which is great to see.

Let's see how it pans out but I think he's passed a big test with this week. I'm very glad to be nibbling on the crust of that humble pie for sure.

 

[nickjhs]

League position isn’t everything though, we could have won the first 11 drawn a couple and then lost 10 in a row by four or more goals and still be in the same position. Do we forgive the ten defeats and say oh well we are still 10th?
Rightly so questions would be asked it’s the nature of the beast.

It’s no more embarrassing than some staunch FH fans on this thread saying Mitoma isn’t as good as he was and we should take the oil money. It’s a game of opinions no one rushed out to make a bedwetting should have sold Mitoma thread for a cheap score.

I haven't seen many people blinded by his brilliance mainly it's calm the f*** down the guy is inexperienced and yet doing a bloody good job considering his inexperience and that of much of his squad. The simple fact is Mitoma was not back to his best at the start of the season but he has gradually got his form back after such a long injury and has been bloody brilliant the last few games. would love you to show how many "staunch FH fans on this thread saying Mitoma isn’t as good as he was and we should take the oil money" I am willing to stick my neck out and say it was a tiny fraction compared to you lot who were demanding a change in manager.

 

[Commander]

Much easier to say from Australia than the train home from Nottingham.

This is a fair point. But a week later when the dust has settled, people should be able to see the bigger picture. But many can't.