[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris

[Pevenseagull]

Trump has been holding up Detroit - Michigan's biggest city - as an example of urban blight and decay, the sort of dystopian city that will become the norm in the USA if the Democrats are re-elected.

He's effectively calling it a shithole on a daily basis and half the state still look like voting for him.

Part of the reason it is so hard for me to get over Brexit is because how f*cked up the USA is. They used to be our natural allies, but they are the now country of Trump, guns, abortion and supporting Israel with impunity.

people in Flint are going to vote for Trump.

Edit .... GOP. .... Jesus wept


absolutely insane


but were still being poisoned under BA.


shit storm of a country


This xxxx https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Snyder

 

[schmunk]

I caught the end of the Harris interview on Fox. I thought she did pretty well, although it did seem to be as much about Trump as her.

The post-interview discussion seems to be quite balanced too, given it's Fox.

 

[Pevenseagull]

I caught the end of the Harris interview on Fox. I thought she did pretty well, although it did seem to be as much about Trump as her.

The post-interview discussion seems to be quite balanced too, given it's Fox.

Hmm

 

[Easy 10]

Perfectly normal

That was a Q&A at a town hall in Pennsylvania.
The music there went on non stop for 39 MINUTES with Trump shuffling around to it. I'm not kidding.

 

[Bozza]

Imagine the orange deranged one being able to talk like this - coherently, intelligently, logically and with passion.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Imagine the orange deranged one being able to talk like this - coherently, intelligently, logically and with passion.

'They' will frame that as KH being a hysterical woman.


Edit... Trumps odds on position unchanged.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Jesus wept. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[schmunk]

Hmm

Sure, but that's not at all what I was talking about. That clip's from before the interview was aired.

Straight after the interview they had the interviewer and three other pundits discussing it and, whilst they did criticise Harris to some extent, they also praised her and said that she had done well.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Sure, but that's not at all what I was talking about. That clip's from before the interview was aired.

Yep.


Fox are going to present the footage in a fair and balanced way.

They will highlight her finest moments as proof that she is the best choice to take the USA forward for a better tomorrow.

I absolutely believe that that will be the case.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

They are most likely from generational families. If you took away the 44% of Democrats and 20% of Republicans - you'd be left with quite a small population. I'm not sure that's really what you want? Or is it?


Yes - see the point above. Dingo's issues seem to be with long-term generational influxes over many many decades, not recent immigration. Hence my question to them above. If it really is the case that Dingo thinks that 44% of Democrats and 20% of Republicans shouldn't be there because they are Hispanic, Black, Asian, or another race - then there's a word for that.....

You are not getting this at all. If you have say 10 immigrants where 2 vote GOP and 4 vote DNC and in a generation say that flips to 6 of them GOP and 2 DNC then you have to keep increasing the first gen immigrants to maintain a DNC advantage. A Ponzi scheme.

Put it another way, new immigrants lean left because of more friendly faces and support they get. When they fully assimilate they don't need this as they are natives now and may object on taxes spent on new comers. Also they are more likely to retain the social conservatism they come with.

The only way the left can stop this is to prevent assimilation, divisive politics and flooding the country with immigrants. this election will be the death of democracy or the death of identity politics imo.

 

[bhafc99]

That was a Q&A at a town hall in Pennsylvania.
The music there went on non stop for 39 MINUTES with Trump shuffling around to it. I'm not kidding.

Imagine if Biden was still running, and had done that. The double standards from the MAGA mob is breathtaking.

 

[Zeberdi]

You are not getting this at all. If you have say 10 immigrants where 2 vote GOP and 4 vote DNC and in a generation say that flips to 6 of them GOP and 2 DNC then you have to keep increasing the first gen immigrants to maintain a DNC advantage. A Ponzi scheme.

No, you don’t - see comment below. You are building a Ponzi scheme of falsehoods to produce conspiracy theories.

Put it another way, new immigrants lean left because of more friendly faces and support they get. When they fully assimilate they don't need this as they are natives now and may object on taxes spent on new comers. Also they are more likely to retain the social conservatism they come with.

I’d like to see some voting data on the suggestion that immigrants feel they don’t ‘need’ democratic policies CD or swing significantly to the right:

Pew Research for example has second generation immigrants (ie the fully assimilated offspring of new/first gens) overwhelmingly aligned to democrats

The only way the left can stop this is to prevent assimilation, divisive politics and flooding the country with immigrants. this election will be the death of democracy or the death of identity politics imo.

No - it is not. You are fabricating a solution to a conspiracy theory that the left are engaging in some form of social engineering to bolster electoral support.

The left stops immigrants swinging to the right (if they are indeed doing so in large numbers which is doubtful) by countering the lies promulgated by Trump that the economy and immigration is worse under Biden/Harris than it was or will be under a Trump Presidency.

Yes, the ‘death of democracy’ under Trump is a very real possibility.

An end to identity politics and a greater focus on one nation politics might not be a bad thing if Trump wins - identity politics has been weaponised by the right to be divisive, scapegoating and a justification to cast blame on immigration for all ills in society. Unless there are routes to equitable engagement and representation in political governance, identity politics turns into a tool for discrimination and exclusion. Project 2025’s policy of using the National Guard for mass deportation of immigrants and DACAs is where Trump stands on ‘identity politics’. We can do without that thank you.

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[Greg Bobkin]

It's funny how Trump and co blame all of the immigrants for the crime problems, as if American citizens don't kill people with guns, supply drugs and rob people...

 

[Zeberdi]

It's funny how Trump and co blame all of the immigrants for the crime problems, as if American citizens don't kill people with guns, supply drugs and rob people...

It’s a trope of the hard right/far right globally to blame immigrants for any ills in society, including crime, especially when resources are under pressure and it is increasingly a view spreading amongst the mainstream populace too - and not just in America.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

It’s a trope of the hard right/far right globally to blame immigrants for any ills in society, including crime, especially when resources are under pressure and it is increasingly a view spreading amongst the mainstream populace too - and not just in America.

Exactly. And the mugs swallow it hook, line and sinker.

 

[nicko31]

Imagine the orange deranged one being able to talk like this - coherently, intelligently, logically and with passion.

Remember folks without Murdoch's network Trump wouldn't have happened. Then, then hey almost dumped him after Jan 6 but instead bottled it for commercial reasons.

 

[nicko31]

It's funny how Trump and co blame all of the immigrants for the crime problems, as if American citizens don't kill people with guns, supply drugs and rob people...

UK gun deaths per 100,000 0.013

USA 14.6..

 

[BadFish]

UK gun deaths per 100,000 0.013

USA 14.6..

Trump himself adds a bit to the crime statistics doesn't he?

 

[Bakero]

You are not getting this at all. If you have say 10 immigrants where 2 vote GOP and 4 vote DNC and in a generation say that flips to 6 of them GOP and 2 DNC then you have to keep increasing the first gen immigrants to maintain a DNC advantage. A Ponzi scheme.

Put it another way, new immigrants lean left because of more friendly faces and support they get. When they fully assimilate they don't need this as they are natives now and may object on taxes spent on new comers. Also they are more likely to retain the social conservatism they come with.

The only way the left can stop this is to prevent assimilation, divisive politics and flooding the country with immigrants. this election will be the death of democracy or the death of identity politics imo.

Why do black Americans majorly lean to the Democrats? Many of them have been there multiple generations longer than any European, Hispanic or Asian immigrant.

 

[Withdean South Stand]

The amount of bedwetting here really does scream international break.