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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 166 41.0%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 53.6%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 19 4.7%

  • Total voters
    405
  • This poll will close: .






BBassic

I changed this.
Jul 28, 2011
12,996
How deeply depressing. It's like Brexit all over again. To my mind a main root of both event outcomes is the vast vomit of misinformation that spills forth from FB and X. No idea how this will ever be fixed. The human race & our planet is in serious trouble.
I was thinking about the internet the other day.

I grew up in the 90s when the internet as we know it was just becoming a thing that lots of people had access to. And it was amazing. Chat rooms to natter about films or games or whatever. ICQ Messenger to keep in touch with your mates. Movie trailers that you'd have to wait for five minutes so they could buffer.

There were definitely some dodgy aspects but it never really felt dangerous.

Now it's just an absolute minefield surrounded by a cesspool at the base of an erupting volcano.

Social media specifically is the sort of thing that someone somewhere should have regulated from Day 1 but that particular Pandora's Box has been blown to f***ing smithereens.
 


Cordwainer

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2023
517
Strueth..judging by some posters on this threads output there must be some tuggers cramp going on at this result. Imagine what it says about you as a person that you think that Trump and his acolytes are the answer to anything.
Viva California.
 








Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
55,718
Faversham
That's not actually true. For example, this is a post I made on this thread on the 15th October...

I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...​
- Female​
- University educated​
- Bright​
- Funny​
- Socially aware​
- Lives in Southern California​
...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.​
In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.​
A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.​
And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.​
Blindly dismissing tens of millions of people as stupid is easy to do, but short-sighted.

Gullible may be a more accurate tag, if any has to be found.

Trump has perfected the playbook of convincing a lot of people that he's in their corner, fighting for them. He's really not. If the working people are better off, it's merely a side-effect of those he's actually focused on.
I get the impression that millions voted for Trump with eyes wide open.

It struck me that Americans are very different from Brits when they elected as supreme leader their equivalent of Ronald Allen, housewives' heartthrob actor from the TV soap, Crossroads. Also called Ronald. The 'Gipper'.

And they don't see socialism, even in its watered down UK Labour form, as remotely acceptable.

At the end of the day, Biden/Harris were unable to stop Putin or Netanyahu. If Trump doesn't even pretend to 'oppose' them, what's the difference?

So I'm going to look on the positive side. Trump will either do no harm, or he will expose himself as a charlatan, unable to achieve what he promised, and a reinvigorated Democrat pantry may rise again.

This will of course require that the Democrats sort themselves out. They seem a very long way away from that presently.
 




Curious Orange

Punxsatawney Phil
Jul 5, 2003
10,200
On NSC for over two decades...
Thanks but I'm not Trump.

One thing to look forward to soon is the release of the Epstein client list, maybe not in Hollywood or a certain Republican supreme court judge.

Or President elect? :D
 












Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,057
Cumbria
So I'm going to look on the positive side. Trump will either do no harm, or he will expose himself as a charlatan, unable to achieve what he promised, and a reinvigorated Democrat pantry may rise again.

This will of course require that the Democrats sort themselves out. They seem a very long way away from that presently.
I guess that will ultimately depend upon what cookies are in their pantry!
 
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Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
55,718
Faversham
It mirrors the polarity of society now. No middle ground, no reason, no debate. Its them and us. Thick, ignorant racists v sensible people. The inability to accept an alternative viewpoint. Trump is a vile felon. Harris is a respectable person. Right wing fascism and bigotry v left wing social caring.
Are you saying this is the case or this isn't the case?

And I disagree with your take on society. The government we have here now is very much a middle ground government, much to the annoyance of the left wing Corbynista types :shrug:
 




Dibdab

Well-known member
Sep 28, 2021
1,061
Wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s not “nonsense” - the ascendancy of populism and far right is the zeitgeist and it’s happening all over Europe too. 7 European Countries now have a far right party in government.

Putin, Netanyahu, Orban and Trump are changing the global face of politics converging in a movement of fascist sympathies and strongly autocratic governance.

Reform out-performing the Tories and far right riots in the UK.

It definitely isn’t a media ‘narrative’ nor am I ‘getting carried away‘ with anything - I suggest you read Project 25, the hard right’s blueprint for change under a Trump Presidency.

Right wing governments elected democratically so the very essence of healthy democracy (except Russia who have never had it), and I really dont think you're ever going to get a balanced article from the Guardian on Trump. Id suggest you stop reading that paper (and any right wing rags too) as you will never get the truth from them. You mentioned Reform in the UK,what threat are they to our democratic process? It sounds that because you dont like the result of a democratic process you are claiming democracy is at risk? A bit ironic.
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,240
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FatSuperman

Well-known member
Feb 25, 2016
2,886
100% correct. There is no way that the Trump who has presented himself during the campaign is anywhere near as bad as the hideous villain that has been presented by the majority of the western media or on this forum, and again people looking at a country a long way away think they know whats better for the common man there than they do themselves.
He is not fit to lead a conga, let alone the USA.

He’s corrupt, a cheat, a pathological liar, a coward, possibly a rapist, certainly a misogynist and the greatest narcissist politics has ever elected.

The risk here is how he treats Putin and the situation in Ukraine and the rest of Russia’s battlegrounds. And THAT isn’t even about what happens to Ukraine, it’s about what Putin does with a piss-weak US President in place.

Feels almost like state capture.
 


Hotchilidog

Well-known member
Jan 24, 2009
9,096
Just popping on this thread to acknowledge that I called this badly wrong. My inherent belief in the innate goodness of people has ignored the evidence of the past decade and the solid shift rightwards in political discourse. I have lots of thoughts about this, but today is not the day to try and get them in any sort of order. Time to tune out for a bit, get some tunes on and get on with work.
 


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