[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

[knocky1]

He picked a team and they won.

More evil than even Leeds, Millwall and Chelsea.

 

[BBassic]

How deeply depressing. It's like Brexit all over again. To my mind a main root of both event outcomes is the vast vomit of misinformation that spills forth from FB and X. No idea how this will ever be fixed. The human race & our planet is in serious trouble.

I was thinking about the internet the other day.

I grew up in the 90s when the internet as we know it was just becoming a thing that lots of people had access to. And it was amazing. Chat rooms to natter about films or games or whatever. ICQ Messenger to keep in touch with your mates. Movie trailers that you'd have to wait for five minutes so they could buffer.

There were definitely some dodgy aspects but it never really felt dangerous.

Now it's just an absolute minefield surrounded by a cesspool at the base of an erupting volcano.

Social media specifically is the sort of thing that someone somewhere should have regulated from Day 1 but that particular Pandora's Box has been blown to f***ing smithereens.

 

[Cordwainer]

Strueth..judging by some posters on this threads output there must be some tuggers cramp going on at this result. Imagine what it says about you as a person that you think that Trump and his acolytes are the answer to anything.
Viva California.

 

[nicko31]

He can't remain in office surely.

We choose our politicians not fascists elsewhere

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Congrats dingo !!

Thanks but I'm not Trump.

One thing to look forward to soon is the release of the Epstein client list, maybe not in Hollywood or a certain Republican supreme court judge.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That's not actually true. For example, this is a post I made on this thread on the 15th October...

I'll describe a friend of mine in the US. You tell me who they vote for...​

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- Female​

- University educated​

- Bright​

- Funny​

- Socially aware​

- Lives in Southern California​

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...you've guessed she votes Trump, because I wouldn't be asking otherwise.​

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In our discussions around this, I think it really comes down to the belief that Trump is better for a strong US economy, and a strong US economy is best for her family's ongoing prosperity and quality of life.​

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A few years ago her husband lost his job and it took him a fair while to find another one. I know she was genuinely concerned they would lose their home and find themselves in a bad financial position in a country that doesn't do a great job of looking after those who fall on hard times.​

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And I guess I can empathise with that, regardless of my incredulity as to how anyone could believe Trump is capable to lead the US.​

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Blindly dismissing tens of millions of people as stupid is easy to do, but short-sighted.

Gullible may be a more accurate tag, if any has to be found.

Trump has perfected the playbook of convincing a lot of people that he's in their corner, fighting for them. He's really not. If the working people are better off, it's merely a side-effect of those he's actually focused on.

I get the impression that millions voted for Trump with eyes wide open.

It struck me that Americans are very different from Brits when they elected as supreme leader their equivalent of Ronald Allen, housewives' heartthrob actor from the TV soap, Crossroads. Also called Ronald. The 'Gipper'.

And they don't see socialism, even in its watered down UK Labour form, as remotely acceptable.

At the end of the day, Biden/Harris were unable to stop Putin or Netanyahu. If Trump doesn't even pretend to 'oppose' them, what's the difference?

So I'm going to look on the positive side. Trump will either do no harm, or he will expose himself as a charlatan, unable to achieve what he promised, and a reinvigorated Democrat pantry may rise again.

This will of course require that the Democrats sort themselves out. They seem a very long way away from that presently.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Sorry, what's your point?

Not my point, but one put across, a most important election finally fought out by two candidates of a certain calibre.

 

[Curious Orange]

Thanks but I'm not Trump.

One thing to look forward to soon is the release of the Epstein client list, maybe not in Hollywood or a certain Republican supreme court judge.

Or President elect?

 

[Bodian]

What do we personally gain when Brighton win a game of football ? He picked a team and they won.

But that is entirely the wrong approach for Politics.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

What do you hope to personally gain from Trump's victory?

A better world, no WW3 for starters.

 

[aolstudios]

 

[Bodian]

So I'm going to look on the positive side. Trump will either do no harm, or he will expose himself as a charlatan, unable to achieve what he promised, and a reinvigorated Democrat pantry may rise again.

This will of course require that the Democrats sort themselves out. They seem a very long way away from that presently.

I guess that will ultimately depend upon what cookies are in their pantry!

 

[Bodian]

A better world, no WW3 for starters.

Just the gradual creeping westwards of Russia. You happy with that?

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Or President elect?

This has been debunked, hanging on to it is Trump derangement syndrome.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It mirrors the polarity of society now. No middle ground, no reason, no debate. Its them and us. Thick, ignorant racists v sensible people. The inability to accept an alternative viewpoint. Trump is a vile felon. Harris is a respectable person. Right wing fascism and bigotry v left wing social caring.

Are you saying this is the case or this isn't the case?

And I disagree with your take on society. The government we have here now is very much a middle ground government, much to the annoyance of the left wing Corbynista types

 

[essbee1]

A better world, no WW3 for starters.

You jest right?

 

[Dibdab]

Wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s not “nonsense” - the ascendancy of populism and far right is the zeitgeist and it’s happening all over Europe too. 7 European Countries now have a far right party in government.

Putin, Netanyahu, Orban and Trump are changing the global face of politics converging in a movement of fascist sympathies and strongly autocratic governance.

Reform out-performing the Tories and far right riots in the UK.

It definitely isn’t a media ‘narrative’ nor am I ‘getting carried away‘ with anything - I suggest you read Project 25, the hard right’s blueprint for change under a Trump Presidency.

The year of elections: The rise of Europe’s far right

After strong showings in recent elections, there are far-right parties in government in seven European countries. Global Insight assesses the threat to the rule of law and what can be done to protect it.

www.ibanet.org

Is Trump actually a fascist – and why does the answer matter?

Given the comparisons to Hitler and Mussolini, experts say it’s important to remember that fascism is a process

www.theguardian.com

Right wing governments elected democratically so the very essence of healthy democracy (except Russia who have never had it), and I really dont think you're ever going to get a balanced article from the Guardian on Trump. Id suggest you stop reading that paper (and any right wing rags too) as you will never get the truth from them. You mentioned Reform in the UK,what threat are they to our democratic process? It sounds that because you dont like the result of a democratic process you are claiming democracy is at risk? A bit ironic.

 

[vegster]

New series of The Handmaid's Tale launching January 2025.

 

[FatSuperman]

100% correct. There is no way that the Trump who has presented himself during the campaign is anywhere near as bad as the hideous villain that has been presented by the majority of the western media or on this forum, and again people looking at a country a long way away think they know whats better for the common man there than they do themselves.

He is not fit to lead a conga, let alone the USA.

He’s corrupt, a cheat, a pathological liar, a coward, possibly a rapist, certainly a misogynist and the greatest narcissist politics has ever elected.

The risk here is how he treats Putin and the situation in Ukraine and the rest of Russia’s battlegrounds. And THAT isn’t even about what happens to Ukraine, it’s about what Putin does with a piss-weak US President in place.

Feels almost like state capture.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Just popping on this thread to acknowledge that I called this badly wrong. My inherent belief in the innate goodness of people has ignored the evidence of the past decade and the solid shift rightwards in political discourse. I have lots of thoughts about this, but today is not the day to try and get them in any sort of order. Time to tune out for a bit, get some tunes on and get on with work.