Sven is a twat.

[enigma]

Is he? What's he got to show for that - Anelka, Fabregas?

You really are a bitter Spurs fan

 

[enigma]

I have reservations about Bent, he strikes me as a good club player, but lack that extra bit needed for international football, Beattie is the same.

Of what was left, I would have taken Vassell, not because he is any better than Bent, but he has had a habit in the past of scoring for England.

Vassell did have a habit of scoring for England but that was a long time ago. I dont think he has ever scored as many goals as Bent has this season, and he doesnt even set up that many. Apart from pace, and lets face it Bent is quick enough, Vassell doesnt offer more than Bent in any other department.

 

[Les Biehn]

come on Les! surely its worth the risk, something new, something untried, how often have you seen an England manager do that? tell me whom you would take instead assuming Rooney defo not fit and Defo takes that place....

assume he will get some form of a game as he aint going to make the numbers or to get the teas is he?

anyway, why arent people asking for MM out! thats what we normally debate ! he he

Graham Taylor took loads of chances, rememeber Carlton Palmer, Keith Curle, etc...they wasn't a great idea was it and at least they were playing top flight football! The point is we are going into a world cup, not some second rate tournament where we can test players out. If say Everton came in for Lynch do you think he should go to the World cup if Cole hadn't made it.

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

You really are a bitter Spurs fan

Not at all - I'm happy to be proven wrong, I just can't think of too many successes Wenger has had in terms of bringing through young players compared to someone like Ferguson, for example. Most of his success has come from bringing in foreigners who are either out of favour or performing below their potential at their clubs.

 

[Gary Stevens Neighbour]

is Vassell fit?! thought he had an injury...

f*** it... take Trolley! go for broke...

 

[Chesney Christ 1]

Is he? What's he got to show for that - Anelka, Fabregas?

Patrick Viera, Robin Van Persie, Thierry Henry to name a few.

The likes of Toure, Lauren and Eboue have all also been plucked from total obscurity for absolutely nothing, and now form part of a team that have waltzed their way with ease to the final of the Champions League.

Go away, and come back when you understand a little about the game of football.

 

[Gary Stevens Neighbour]

oh no...is this a BHAFC chat room or a Gooners appreciation site?

 

[Les Biehn]

Patrick Viera, Robin Van Persie, Thierry Henry to name a few.

The likes of Toure, Lauren and Eboue have all also been plucked from total obscurity for absolutely nothing, and now form part of a team that have waltzed their way with ease to the final of the Champions League.

Go away, and come back when you understand a little about the game of football.

Thats a bit rich from a man who thinks squad selection should be based on whether Arsene Wenger has paid a lot of money for a player, even if he is an untested 17 yr old..

 

[enigma]

Not at all - I'm happy to be proven wrong, I just can't think of too many successes Wenger has had in terms of bringing through young players compared to someone like Ferguson, for example. Most of his success has come from bringing in foreigners who are either out of favour or performing below their potential at their clubs.

OK- fair enough. I would agree compared to Fergie.

But there are others- Cole, Eboue, Senderos, even Toure some might say (think he was a little older).

 

[Les Biehn]

oh no...is this a BHAFC chat room or a Gooners appreciation site?

f***ing A. 4th in the league and nothing without Henry. Why are people clambering up their arses?

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

Patrick Viera, Robin Van Persie, Thierry Henry to name a few.

The likes of Toure, Lauren and Eboue have all also been plucked from total obscurity for absolutely nothing, and now form part of a team that have waltzed their way with ease to the final of the Champions League.

Go away, and come back when you understand a little about the game of football

Van Persie yes, Toure yes ... and Eboue yes, although he's nothing more than an average defender.

Viera was not exactly an unknown; Henry certainly wasn't - he'd already played in a World Cup winning team, and Lauren was a reknowned full-back for Mallorca and Cameroon. If you reckon La Liga's "total obscurity", it's not me who needs to go away and discover some of the basics of football.

 

[enigma]

Van Persie yes, Toure yes ... and Eboue yes, although he's nothing more than an average defender.

Viera was not exactly an unknown; Henry certainly wasn't - he'd already played in a World Cup winning team, and Lauren was a reknowned full-back for Mallorca and Cameroon. If you reckon La Liga's "total obscurity", it's not me who needs to go away and discover some of the basics of football.

I would agree with you on most of those- although to be fair, Vieira was only 19 and had only played a couple of games for Milan. He had played less games than Van Persie- Van Persie was followed by a lot of teams abroad, Inter and Milan particularly.

Eboue is not average, he's a very good player. I think Lauren will be hard pushed to get back in (though I dont rate Lauren that much). Eboue has been outstanding for them in the second half of the season.

Ashley Cole as well. Clichy. Even Senderos.

 

[Les Biehn]

Ponderos is fecking pony. in terms of youngsters there is only really A.Cole, Fabergas, Anelka and Toure. Good yes, but they don't make Wenger a genius.

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

Sure - I'm not about to dispute Wenger has an eye for a decent player; especially a foreign one. We'll have to disagree on Eboue ... I don't really see it.

Anyhoo, my point is, Wenger's not some sort of Pied Piper of young talents (contrary to the song ...), at least not to the extent that we should take a player to the World Cup purely on the basis that he's seen fit to sign him.

 

[enigma]

Ponderos is fecking pony. in terms of youngsters there is only really A.Cole, Fabergas, Anelka and Toure. Good yes, but they don't make Wenger a genius.

While I dont think he is amazing, he has played his part in a team that didnt concede a goal in the knock out stages of the champions league. He didnt look out of his depth defending. If anything, his problem is his composure on the ball.

Eboue will be one ot the top right backs in the Premier League, so I would add him to that list. If you look at the youngsters on the fringes as well, you have to give Wenger credit. Only Fergie can really rival him when it comes to bringing people through.

 

[Les Biehn]

While I dont think he is amazing, he has played his part in a team that didnt concede a goal in the knock out stages of the champions league. He didnt look out of his depth defending. If anything, his problem is his composure on the ball.

Eboue will be one ot the top right backs in the Premier League, so I would add him to that list. If you look at the youngsters on the fringes as well, you have to give Wenger credit. Only Fergie can really rival him when it comes to bringing people through.

As RT says in the post above still doesn't merit picking a 17yr old untested player just because Wenger wants to give him some sweeties.

 

[enigma]

Sure - I'm not about to dispute Wenger has an eye for a decent player; especially a foreign one. We'll have to disagree on Eboue ... I don't really see it.

Anyhoo, my point is, Wenger's not some sort of Pied Piper of young talents (contrary to the song ...), at least not to the extent that we should take a player to the World Cup purely on the basis that he's seen fit to sign him.

Agreed- and I agree with your point about Fergie. Eboue can still improve, but he has looked comfortable in most of their recent champions league games, which to me says something.

I definitely agree with Walcott. Taking Lennon is a gamble, but he has played well over the season. Walcott has played half a season in the championship.

 

[enigma]

As RT says in the post above still doesn't merit picking a 17yr old untested player just because Wenger wants to give him some sweeties.

I dont disagree with that point- I was merely suggesting he wasnt giving Wenger enough credit.

I dont like Wenger as a person, and I actually think tactically he is not the best. While I admire his vision, they have been found wanting against teams that know how to close them down, like Man U and Chelsea, and although they are in the final of the Champ League they have been trying since 98-99......

 

[Les Biehn]

I dont disagree with that point- I was merely suggesting he wasnt giving Wenger enough credit.

I dont like Wenger as a person, and I actually think tactically he is not the best. While I admire his vision, they have been found wanting against teams that know how to close them down, like Man U and Chelsea, and although they are in the final of the Champ League they have been trying since 98-99......

Now you're talking sense. Mind you I try not to agree with you to much, Looney seems to think we are an item because we don't want to go around smashing gays up.

 

[Easy 10]

I definitely agree with Walcott. Taking Lennon is a gamble, but he has played well over the season. Walcott has played half a season in the championship.

Not even that. He had 13 starts, and 5 as sub. And even if he'd played 46 in the Championship, he'd STILL be nowhere near ready for a World Cup.

Its like some kind of sick joke.