Southend goals

[Barrel of Fun]

There was an article in the Seagull last season. It was about the substitutions we had seen all season. There was an alarming amount of goals scored within minutes of the replacements - both for and against.

It sounds as if they should have made the substitution earlier if Southend had resorted to route one.

 

[Les Biehn]

The trouble is it makes everyone a little unsure of their role in the next passage of play. They start to wonder if they are picking up the right man and whether they should push out when the play starts. Also I could see how it could be more confusing when a player like Butters comes on because it could become confusing as to who is doing the organising.

 

[London Irish]

There was an article in the Seagull last season. It was about the substitutions we had seen all season. There was an alarming amount of goals scored within minutes of the replacements - both for and against.

It sounds as if they should have made the substitution earlier if Southend had resorted to route one.

To be fair, they had only just resorted to those tactics. We are talking a matter of a few minutes between Campbell Ryce's substitution and that of Reid.

 

[London Irish]

Actually thats wrong.You don't sub a player when your defending a corner.Most managers know this.It disprupts things which it proved last night.As i said that was basic management error

Why? Every player had a man to pick up - and the subbing gave them longer to focus on that job - and all Butters had to do was pick up Reid's? What's the problem?

 

[algie]

Why? Every player had a man to pick up - and the subbing gave them longer to focus on that job - and all Butters had to do was pick up Reid's? What's the problem?

Why?


Because it cost us a goal.Thats your answer.You wait untill the ball is out of the danger zone before making any changes.I'm suprised you didn't know that.It appears to be a common rule in football and Wilkins learn't the hard way.Players can get confused who they are mean't to be marking etc.Poor decision

 

[perseus]

One convention/rule was not to put a substitute on when you are defending a corner.

I am not in favour of putting subs on in the last five minutes. I think they should be banned!

 

[Les Biehn]

Having played a little as a defender it is always difficult to mark at corners as the opposition are constantly moving, meaning players are constantly getting in your way as you track your man, he will swap positions with other opposition players which starts to make you wonder which one you should pick up and there are lots of people voicing their opinions on who you should pick up.

Add to that mix a substitution and you are asking for trouble.

 

[Les Biehn]

We used to use the tactic of bringing our sub on at one of our own corners at uni because it used to f*** up the organisation of the other team.

 

[Hannibal smith]

Personally I don't think the goal was anyone's fault. We played really well but were unlucky... end of. As for substituting at a corner every AMATEUR manager knows not to do it because we don't train and train and train and learn systems of defence so

OK. When was the last time you saw a Premiership or International manager make a sub when it was a corner? I can't remember and on average watch a couple of games a weekend.

Its basic management and surely the fact they scored and the players were having a mothers meeting after the goal about who was marking who surely proves it.

On the general thread, I do agree we were unlucky but our team did look completely knackered towards the end.

 

[London Irish]

Why?


Because it cost us a goal.Thats your answer.

Sorry, that isn't an answer, at least not a rational one.

Because you haven't shown a link between those two events. It was a great corner that did for a defender and Kuipers, the subbling had nothing to do with it.

 

[algie]

Sorry, that isn't an answer, at least not a rational one.

Because you haven't shown a link between those two events. It was a great corner that did for a defender and Kuipers, the subbling had nothing to do with it.

So what your saying is making changes when defending corners isn't a problem?

So tell me why majority of mangers don't do it?

 

[Mustela Furo]

There was an article in the Seagull last season. It was about the substitutions we had seen all season. There was an alarming amount of goals scored within minutes of the replacements - both for and against.

think I recall writing that - was it not on seagulls website (although it could have gone in both)

 

[London Irish]

So what your saying is making changes when defending corners isn't a problem?

So tell me why majority of mangers don't do it?

Superstition? Tell me why a tactically astute manager like Dean Wilkins did it.

I see you ignored my earlier question about the role the subbing played in the goal. If it could be proved that the new player had not picked up his man, I would agree that the subbing caused the goal. But that didn't happen!

 

[algie]

Superstition? Tell me why a tactically astute manager like Dean Wilkins did it.

He took a gamble which didn't pay off.He should of waited a bit longer

 

[London Irish]

He took a gamble which didn't pay off.He should of waited a bit longer

He should have taken a bit longer to increase our height and aerial ability when that's the only route that Southend were attacking us through?

 

[Scotty Mac]

We used to use the tactic of bringing our sub on at one of our own corners at uni because it used to f*** up the organisation of the other team.

exactly - changing at set pieces can lead to complete confussion

 

[Les Biehn]

If it could be proved that the new player had not picked up his man, I would agree that the subbing caused the goal. But that didn't happen!

But surely it is about the effect it has on the whole team, not just what one man is doing?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

think I recall writing that - was it not on seagulls website (although it could have gone in both)

Alas I do not have Seagulls World, but I am positive it was in the programme towards the end of last. An extremely well written piece if I remember correctly.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I see you ignored my earlier question about the role the subbing played in the goal. If it could be proved that the new player had not picked up his man, I would agree that the subbing caused the goal. But that didn't happen!

Well, the only 'proof' we have at the moment is that the player was subbed at the corner and a goal was scored from it. It should really be up to you to explain why the subbing CANNOT have caused the goal....

 

[3gulls]

Why? Every player had a man to pick up - and the subbing gave them longer to focus on that job - and all Butters had to do was pick up Reid's? What's the problem?

The problem appeared ('cos the view was shite) to be that Butters went into the middle - right where the guy headed from!