Sergio Aguero Shows Respect-Take Note James Mclean

[alfredmizen]

If you are or were a soldier, didn't you sign up to protect the ability for anyone in this country to have and express their own opinion and not to have one forced upon them ?

This whole thing of looking at one individual and getting annoyed about his decision seems to fly in the face of why people serve (to protect our country and the freedoms there in.)

This whole anti stance against him seems to me a bit more like you having to have respect and adoration from people because you chose to sign up to the armed forces and you feel that you need to be recognised and people wearing a poppy is one way of gaining this recognition you crave. Anyone not wearing a poppy is therefore not paying you any respect yet you are seemingly incapable of paying him any respect in allowing him to make his own choice in whether to wear one or not.

No, i signed up for a bit of adventure and to defend this country from the soviets in the event the cold war turned hot, the highlighted part is the same sort of idealistic horseshit that people like you come out with when you try and convince us that the majority of servicemen and women in WW2 signed up to ''fight fascism'', and how they'd be horrified that we werent respecting ''individual choices'' in vilifying people who pointedly refuse to wear a poppy, well they didnt, the majority just wanted to stop this country ending up under german rule, my grandad was badly wounded at el alamein, he told me he wished he hadnt bothered when he saw how we'd given this country away, as for me craving adoration ?? Do me a favour , its people like my grandad , or the blokes of bomber command or the merchant navy that deserve respect, instead we're browbeaten by simpering tossers into repecting a hypocrite footballers ''decision'' to rub our noses in the sh1t whilst pocketing a large wedge as he does it.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

He can wear what he wants but he did turn his back when the British national anthem was played during a pre season friendly which does seem a bit disrespectful. He is of course entitled to do that but he should expect some criticism if he chooses to bring politics on to the pitch. If he really does have deep seated reasons to dislike this country I am surprised he doesn't play in a different country. Might have to take a pay cut though ...

He didn't turn his back, he just didn't turn TOWARDS the flag. Do the England football team even turn towards the flag when the same anthem is played? (I am 99% sure the answer is no). It was bizarre that the anthem was played, and even more bizarre that the West Brom team turned towards the flag when it started. He probably should have just spun around with them and saved the hassle, but footballers aren't known for their quick thinking. Still, what a circus.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

No, i signed up for a bit of adventure and to defend this country from the soviets in the event the cold war turned hot, the highlighted part is the same sort of idealistic horseshit that people like you come out with when you try and convince us that the majority of servicemen and women in WW2 signed up to ''fight fascism'', and how they'd be horrified that we werent respecting ''individual choices'' in vilifying people who pointedly refuse to wear a poppy, well they didnt, the majority just wanted to stop this country ending up under german rule, my grandad was badly wounded at el alamein, he told me he wished he hadnt bothered when he saw how we'd given this country away, as for me craving adoration ?? Do me a favour , its people like my grandad , or the blokes of bomber command or the merchant navy that deserve respect, instead we're browbeaten by simpering tossers into repecting a hypocrite footballers ''decision'' to rub our noses in the sh1t whilst pocketing a large wedge as he does it.

I think you will find that most people in this country (and many more besides) had relatives who fought, been injured or died in the World Wars - it's not something unique to you and it's certainly not a reason to expect someone else to wear a poppy.

There was a lot of conscription in the World wars. It could also be said that others joined to defend this country from the imminent threat of invasion by a real enemy during the second world war with genuine intentions to invade.

Why didn't we just roll over and let the Germans take over without a fight and without the tragic cost in lives? because we wanted to protect our country's values and way of life and not to be oppressed and ruled by those who tried to change this and impose Nazi rule and their values on us (including exterminating those which didn't fulfill the Nazi ideal, like Jews, Gypsies, etc....)

If the civil liberties we fought to protect weren't worth fighting for, then why did we fight to protect them? liberties including freedom of expression, free speech, etc...

btw - if the cold war had turned hot, what good would you have been in defending this country as a soldier as nukes reigned down across the globe?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

He didn't turn his back, he just didn't turn TOWARDS the flag. Do the England football team even turn towards the flag when the same anthem is played? (I am 99% sure the answer is no). It was bizarre that the anthem was played, and even more bizarre that the West Brom team turned towards the flag when it started. He probably should have just spun around with them and saved the hassle, but footballers aren't known for their quick thinking. Still, what a circus.

I think you are being rather generous with your interpretation that it was stupidity more than a deliberate act. He does seem to act like a bit of a clown at times so yes your right what a circus.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

I think you are being rather generous with your interpretation that it was stupidity more than a deliberate act. He does seem to act like a bit of a clown at times so yes your right what a circus.

I think he heard the national anthem and thought "that's not my national anthem, I won't turn around and face the flag", especially seeing as it's not something that's ever done in club football, and like I say isn't even something that British national teams do for GSTQ. It clearly wasn't pre-medidated and I'm not sure he'd have refused if he was told that was what the team were doing.

 

[alfredmizen]

I think he heard the national anthem and thought "that's not my national anthem, I won't turn around and face the flag", especially seeing as it's not something that's ever done in club football, and like I say isn't even something that British national teams do for GSTQ. It clearly wasn't pre-medidated and I'm not sure he'd have refused if he was told that was what the team were doing.

Comical Ali would be embarrassed to come out with such blatant rubbish as this

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I think he heard the national anthem and thought "that's not my national anthem, I won't turn around and face the flag", especially seeing as it's not something that's ever done in club football, and like I say isn't even something that British national teams do for GSTQ. It clearly wasn't pre-medidated and I'm not sure he'd have refused if he was told that was what the team were doing.

The evidence appears to suggest you are mistaken http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...m-West-Bromwich-Albion-s-pre-season-tour.html

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Comical Ali would be embarrassed to come out with such blatant rubbish as this

Fair enough.

I actually think it was a very stupid decision because he makes what I think is a very eloquent defence of his decision not to wear a poppy every year, and could do without it being undermined by silly stuff like this. He could easily have faced the same way as his teammates towards the flag and still respectfully stood quietly whilst the anthem was played. But he didn't know it was coming and made the snap decision not to face it as I said - because in countries that do face their flag (e.g. the one he represents internationally) you do it for your own anthem, not someone else's. Take it or leave it, I won't be losing sleep.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

The evidence appears to suggest you are mistaken http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...m-West-Bromwich-Albion-s-pre-season-tour.html

What evidence?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

What evidence?

Do you know how to click on a link?

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Do you know how to click on a link?

Yep, didn't read anything that said he had given that incident a load of thought and made a decision, or knew it was happening beforehand. Anyway, maybe I'm wrong, I don't know the man. Just think that was something over nothing.

 

[alfredmizen]

Yep, didn't read anything that said he had given that incident a load of thought and made a decision, or knew it was happening beforehand. Anyway, maybe I'm wrong, I don't know the man. Just think that was something over nothing.

It was a calculated snub, trying to claim otherwise is just making you look stupid.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Yep, didn't read anything that said he had given that incident a load of thought and made a decision, or knew it was happening beforehand. Anyway, maybe I'm wrong, I don't know the man. Just think that was something over nothing.

The Republic of Ireland international broke ranks with his new West Bromwich Albion teammates by turning to his right and facing downwards as the national anthem was played at the Blackbaud Stadium in Charleston, South Carolina.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...or-him-to-quit-english-football-31388031.html

There are plenty more links if you need them.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

The Republic of Ireland international broke ranks with his new West Bromwich Albion teammates by turning to his right and facing downwards as the national anthem was played at the Blackbaud Stadium in Charleston, South Carolina.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...or-him-to-quit-english-football-31388031.html

There are plenty more links if you need them.

That's a fact, I wasn't suggesting he didn't do it. Anyways, I am done with this, back to the poppy discussion, enjoy everyone!

 

[Brian Fantana]

I think you will find that most people in this country (and many more besides) had relatives who fought, been injured or died in the World Wars - it's not something unique to you and it's certainly not a reason to expect someone else to wear a poppy.

There was a lot of conscription in the World wars. It could also be said that others joined to defend this country from the imminent threat of invasion by a real enemy during the second world war with genuine intentions to invade.

Why didn't we just roll over and let the Germans take over without a fight and without the tragic cost in lives? because we wanted to protect our country's values and way of life and not to be oppressed and ruled by those who tried to change this and impose Nazi rule and their values on us (including exterminating those which didn't fulfill the Nazi ideal, like Jews, Gypsies, etc....)

If the civil liberties we fought to protect weren't worth fighting for, then why did we fight to protect them? liberties including freedom of expression, free speech, etc...

btw - if the cold war had turned hot, what good would you have been in defending this country as a soldier as nukes reigned down across the globe?

This.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,"

 

[W.C.]

If, as you stated , you consider me pointing out that Sergio Aguero is willing to show respect ,despite our respective nations past conflicts, and that James Mclean should take note of this , as ''ramming my politics down your throat'' might i suggest you man up a bit and get out more , you sensitive little flower.

'Man up a bit' classic!

If you were trying to make a point about respect I'm afraid it's lost on me by bringing James Mclean into it and your very many public, political posts on all matters Irish.

 

[alfredmizen]

'Man up a bit' classic!

If you were trying to make a point about respect I'm afraid it's lost on me by bringing James Mclean into it and your very many public, political posts on all matters Irish.

It obviously isn't lost on you or you wouldn't have replied.

 

[W.C.]

From 2014 Guardian "The Tower of London poppies are fake, trite and inward-looking – a Ukip-style memorial"
http://www.theguardian.com/artandde.../tower-of-london-poppies-ukip-remembrance-day

From 2013 Guardian "I will remember friends and comrades in private next year, as the solemnity of remembrance has been twisted into a justification for conflict"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/08/poppy-last-time-remembrance-harry-leslie-smith

From 2012 Guardian "It seems to me that, these days, wearing a poppy is too often regarded as a test of patriotism."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/25/poppy-remembrance-peace-glorify-war

From 2009 Guardian - and this is a particular favourite headline: The pornography of grief – and the devalued poignancy of the poppy
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2009/nov/11/pornography-of-grief-poppy-michael-white

From 2007 Guardian Why I won't be wearing a poppy
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/tvandradioblog/2007/oct/10/whyiwontbewearingapoppy


So no, I'm not being ridiculous and I'm not the one making a cheap political point.

No. That would be the OP who started a thread about someone choosing NOT to wear a poppy.

 

[El Presidente]

The problem I have with the Royal British Legion is that it is very inefficient.

According to it's most recent accounts RBL Poppy Lottery Ltd raised £7.3 million in 2014, but spent £3.2 million raising those funds.

 

[Diablo]

The problem I have with the Royal British Legion is that it is very inefficient.

According to it's most recent accounts RBL Poppy Lottery Ltd raised £7.3 million in 2014, but spent £3.2 million raising those funds.

What other Business can generate 45% profit....