Sergio Aguero Shows Respect-Take Note James Mclean

[alfredmizen]

One of my best friends is on that page.
I'll be wearing a poppy - I wouldn't feel disrespected or offended if anyone chose not to, however.

I was at the funeral of one of those as well.

 

[LlcoolJ]

I've always given money and used to wear a poppy. Now I just give money.

This thread is an example of how a time that should be for paying respect to the people who gave their lives (platitudes aside, they died, often in totally horrific circumstances) for the rest of us has become a sickening witch hunt against anyone not wearing a bloody poppy.

It's ****ing nonsense and I find it completely disrespectful to those who we're supposed to be remembering. Does pinning a bit of card to yourself really mean you've taken time out to think about what this all means? Do all the people on tv and the players wearing poppies have more respect for the dead because they conform to what they're told to do?

No. Take a few minutes and imagine what it must have been like to experience the terror and the horror. Think about the millions dead and the millions more affected. Give thanks to those people that we live in a country where we can worry about Dale Stephens being injured and go take a long hard look in the mirror if you still care about someone wearing a poppy. Ridiculous.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

If i was playing for an irish football team i'd have no problem commemorating the easter rising , or the argentinian dead from the falklands war were i playing in argentina.

There is a very interesting episode of the series Who do you think you are which has Brendan O'Carroll of Mrs Browns Boys fame on it. I highly recommend watching it.
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It mainly focuses on the story of the murder of his Grandfather on the doorstep of his shop one night by 'persons unknown' and tries to uncover the identity of the killer(s) which it does. It turns out that the murder was carried out by a British Major as a part of the British Intelligence operatives mission in Ireland. They tried to make out that the murder was carried out by the IRA. He was actually executed by the British because he wouldn't reveal the location of his son, an IRA member fighting for his country's independence from Britain.

Telegraph article about the show here if you don't want to watch it which gives a brief overview: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...ou-Are-Brendan-OCarroll-review-revealing.html

Maybe there is something within James McClean's family history which may mean that he doesn't want to be associated with or display that symbol (the poppy) which is seen worldwide as something connected to the British army. (although this is just a theory with no evidence to support it and i am not claiming there is but it may be one explanation as to why he doesn't wear a poppy and he shouldn't have to explain himself or the reasons behind his decisions, especially if others just don't like the choice he has made when he is perfectly entitled to make that very choice)

 

[Guy Fawkes]

If i was playing for an irish football team i'd have no problem commemorating the easter rising , or the argentinian dead from the falklands war were i playing in argentina.

And that would be your choice, you shouldn't be forced to explain your stance or defend your choice because others may not agree with your choice.

If another English player was also playing in Ireland at the same time as you and asked to commemorate the Easter rising , or the Argentinian dead from the Falklands war if playing in Argentina but decided that he didn't want to, would you say that he is wrong not to and should be forced to join in or is that also his choice?

 

[Eeyore]

Perhaps that English player would also wear the poppy when he was here. Perhaps Aguero also wears the "symbol of remembrance for Argentine war dead," when he is at home..........perhaps they BOTH respect both countries that lost lives in the conflict.

Well, you make the point. I always regard the Falklands as a senseless loss of nearly 1000 lives, whoever was at fault (and I still believe Thatcher left an open goal when she withdrew forces prior to the conflict).

There are so many folk who use historical conflicts to goad and gloat, but rarely do you see those who served amongst them. All the people I know in my family who lived through, or served us
all in conflicts, spoke little of it- except to say there are no winners and losers, and what a terrible affair war is for everyone.

 

[Soulman]

Well, you make the point. I always regard the Falklands as a senseless loss of nearly 1000 lives, whoever was at fault (and I still believe Thatcher left an open goal when she withdrew forces prior to the conflict).

There are so many folk who use historical conflicts to goad and gloat, but rarely do you see those who served amongst them. All the people I know in my family who lived through, or served us
all in conflicts, spoke little of it- except to say there are no winners and losers, and what a terrible affair war is for everyone.

Yep probably a "senseless loss", but I wonder what this country would look like if many had not defended it in WW1 and 2. I feel it is right to commerate it, others may not.

 

[The Birdman]

And do you think that an Englishman living in Eire should understand the cultural significance of the Easter Rising and commemorate it by wearing the tricolour or should an Englishman in Argentina display the Las Malvinas son Argentinas flag to commemorate their war dead?

Having Family on both sides of the fence in Ireland I have understanding of the issues but anyone dying or getting injured doing her or His duty has my respect. But I would rather not have conflict but this doesn't happen in the real world.

 

[sir albion]

Seems there are more people on this thread getting upset with those that choose to wear the poppy. Get over it.

This is very common these days and the same as these protests you get that pop up full of them.Its clear we have a younger generation who're anti British and see us as a country that abused other countries years and years ago.

I'm not really sure how these youngsters come to their conclusions,but naturally they've been reading to many books etc.Its astounding how many people nowadays who don't seem proud of being British or English etc.

Modern day Britain A

 

[Eeyore]

Yep probably a "senseless loss", but I wonder what this country would look like if many had not defended it in WW1 and 2. I feel it is right to commerate it, others may not.

All war is senseless, although it doesn't mean a cause is unjust. It is not wrong to remember those who perished either.

My point is that it should not be remembered in a jingoistic way. People do not give their lives for bragging rights or the spoils, they give their lives for peace.

If a single soldier is asked to give his or her life for any other reason than peace, then those who command his or her duty should be held to account.

 

[father_and_son]

An Argentine choosing to wear a poppy to commemorate soldiers who have died in battle, despite the fact his own country have been at war with us in the past. A man that understands the cultural significance of the symbol in the country of which he is living in.

Its not celebrating war, its about paying respects to people who have died fighting, a lot of whom will have been forced to sign up.

Has anyone actually asked him why he is wearing a poppy?


Both WW1 and WW2 were, by definition, WORLD wars and although Argentina were pro-Germany in WW1 and technically neutral in WW2, they had their own domestic issues between the pro-Allies and pro-Axis sides and, as they didn't come out on one side or the other as a nation, Argentinians [and died] fought on both sides.Maybe he is choosing to commemorate those lost lives.

As for "being at war with us in the past"... Most British deaths in WW2 were as a direct result of liberating the country that we have been at war with, arguably, more often and longer than any other nation on Earth (with the exception of perhaps own own infighting within the British Isles). Being at war with a country has actually rarely resulted in long term divisions that are never resolved, so just because we fought with his home country back in a time BEFORE he was even born, it should make zero difference to how he (and we) behave now.


I personally detest this annual witch hunt conducted by the media/social media as to who isn't wearing one. I'll bet that a 50%+ of the people in on the telly or in the public eye don't even know if they are wearing one half the time. Someone from the production team comes to straighten their hair, someone else comes to put a little make-up on them, someone else holds out the jacket/coat/whatever that they will wear and they accept all of these things without a second thought. If there is already a poppy on the jacket, I doubt they even notice. The smallest handful will actually care one way or the other about the REAL reason for wearing one, but be all too acutely aware of the huge social faux pas that it is to appear on TV or get papped without having one on!
Completely defeats the purpose of them to my mind!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

All war is senseless, although it doesn't mean a cause is unjust. It is not wrong to remember those who perished either.

My point is that it should not be remembered in a jingoistic way. People do not give their lives for bragging rights or the spoils, they give their lives for peace.

If a single soldier is asked to give his or her life for any other reason than peace, then those who command his or her duty should be held to account.

Isn't that a bit naive ? Self defence, nationalism, hatred, xenophobia, prejudice, religion are more likely to be reasons why people fight and die in wars.

 

[daveinprague]

Poppy is an indication that you have given to a charity (RBL). It has become, over the years something different in the eyes of quite a few. Its fair enough, but it represents people who died fighting for freedom. I imagine that includes having choice to wear a poppy or not.

 

[Eeyore]

Isn't that a bit naive ? Self defence, nationalism, hatred, xenophobia, prejudice, religion are more likely to be reasons why people fight and die in wars.

You are underlining my point though. Aside of acts of self defence, and the defence of other innocent parties, all the reasons you give should serve to hold to account those who initiate such conflicts.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Not sure about your post - you sound like a seventeen year old student.
I'm 59 and grew up with every fecking ira bomb that went off around the country.
Personally if mclean got run over tomorrow I would have the rest of the day off with a few

I don't think that Springal sounds like a student at all.

I will be buying a poppy, but have every respect for anyone who does not feel able to because of their experiences, or those who feel the need to buy a white poppy.
Being cynical, there is every possibility that Sergio Aguero has been "told" by the Manchester City Public Relations Dept to wear a poppy. having said that, I think he is a decent and thoughtful bloke, so he could well be taking the whole thing on board. These things are complicated, and it is always too easy to judge.

And I am 62. I was actually in Birmingham the day after the bomb in the Rotunda - 1973? We are not going to stop/prevent things like that happening by demonising those that did it.

 

[lawros left foot]

This is very common these days and the same as these protests you get that pop up full of them.Its clear we have a younger generation who're anti British and see us as a country that abused other countries years and years ago.

I'm not really sure how these youngsters come to their conclusions,but naturally they've been reading to many books etc.Its astounding how many people nowadays who don't seem proud of being British or English etc.

Modern day Britain A

Maybe we should start burning books, that'll sort out them pesky kids

 

[lawros left foot]

Yep probably a "senseless loss", but I wonder what this country would look like if many had not defended it in WW1 and 2. I feel it is right to commerate it, others may not.

Reading yours, bushy, and sir albions collective posts, I would hazard a guess at something you'd all quite like.

 

[Tarpon]

Reading yours, bushy, and sir albions collective posts, I would hazard a guess at something you'd all quite like.

Genuine laugh out loud. Bravo sir.

 

[W.C.]

I have not met anybody that has made others feel uncomfortable and made to feel as though they're obliged to wear the poppy, .

The irony of this post in this thread.

 

[W.C.]

This is very common these days and the same as these protests you get that pop up full of them.Its clear we have a younger generation who're anti British and see us as a country that abused other countries years and years ago.

I'm not really sure how these youngsters come to their conclusions,but naturally they've been reading to many books etc.Its astounding how many people nowadays who don't seem proud of being British or English etc.

Modern day Britain A

You really are a moron aren't you? This thread was started to have a pop at someone for NOT wearing a poppy.

 

[W.C.]

I've always given money and used to wear a poppy. Now I just give money.

This thread is an example of how a time that should be for paying respect to the people who gave their lives (platitudes aside, they died, often in totally horrific circumstances) for the rest of us has become a sickening witch hunt against anyone not wearing a bloody poppy.

It's ****ing nonsense and I find it completely disrespectful to those who we're supposed to be remembering. Does pinning a bit of card to yourself really mean you've taken time out to think about what this all means? Do all the people on tv and the players wearing poppies have more respect for the dead because they conform to what they're told to do?

No. Take a few minutes and imagine what it must have been like to experience the terror and the horror. Think about the millions dead and the millions more affected. Give thanks to those people that we live in a country where we can worry about Dale Stephens being injured and go take a long hard look in the mirror if you still care about someone wearing a poppy. Ridiculous.

Well said, and how bloody typical of Bushy ramming his politics down our throats as per.