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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Aug 24, 2020
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I would imagine Ukraine's list of targets is something of a moveable feast, with the list being updated almost in real time. Priorities might change according to all sorts of things, not least the current Russian offensive, intelligence updates and so on.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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I wonder too how much of the Ukrainian targeting is assisted and informed by it’s western allies.Absolutely. If I'm not watching Poirot with Mrs R, this is my favourite detective thread.
It's interesting to try to be in the minds of the Ukrainian group that decides these targets. They must have hundreds of potential targets under analysis for priority and feasibility.
I wonder how much of it comes top down from Budanov, and whether they have specialized analysis teams: refineries, ports, air defense systems, Black Sea...
A far more desirable job than being at the front line.
- Nov 11, 2009
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I'd bet there's a lot of western intelligence operatives and even special forces working under the radar in Ukraine.
US satellites have for sure played a significant role in the safe passage of Ukrainian drones striking on Russia to avoid air defences. That much has been reported.
Publically of course they say they won't get Involved, privately I bet they are on some direct operational levels.
This bloke is excellent.Great stuff. Some things are rarely secret for long nowadays.
The words 'nail' and 'head' are on my lips.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I started to watch this when the deputy Defence Minister Ivanov was accused of taking bribes. It was food for thought at the time.
But now that Shoigu has been moved, Konstantin Samoilov's thinking resonates louder.
He reminds us of Churchill's quote:
'Kremlin political intrigues are comparable to a bulldog fight under a rug. An outsider only hears the growling, and when he sees the bones fly out from beneath it is obvious who won.”
But now that Shoigu has been moved, Konstantin Samoilov's thinking resonates louder.
He reminds us of Churchill's quote:
'Kremlin political intrigues are comparable to a bulldog fight under a rug. An outsider only hears the growling, and when he sees the bones fly out from beneath it is obvious who won.”
Reminds me of a tory party conference front row. Thick f***s the lot of them.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Belbek military airport in Crimea has been attacked overnight.
Very interesting.
Near the end he says "the elites couldn't care less about Ukraine" , presumably he meant the outcome of the invasion.
I wonder how many of the elites (military and business) truly believe in Putin's mantra of restoring mother Russia's power by expanding their borders.
Maybe only the ones that'll directly benefit from getting their hands on the mineral wealth in the east
- Aug 24, 2020
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I can't say I have any idea of the proportion who believe Putin's mantra; it could be none, a handful, most of them or all of them. Very, very little information gets out of the Kremlin, and when it does, can you trust it anyway? All we can do is take a good look at whichever bulldog emerges from under the rug.Very interesting.
Near the end he says "the elites couldn't care less about Ukraine" , presumably he meant the outcome of the invasion.
I wonder how many of the elites (military and business) truly believe in Putin's mantra of restoring mother Russia's power by expanding their borders.
Maybe only the ones that'll directly benefit from getting their hands on the mineral wealth in the east
I wouldn't discount anything though. It is quite possible that most of them actually believe that NATO is gearing up to attack Russia. If you take the view that they will judge other people by their own low standards, then in their world, everyone else is a gangster and a murderer.
What a deeply and profoundly strange, alien place it is.
When you put it like that...yes indeed
fly high
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I'm struggling with this, makes me a bit fearful and sad reading it.
Ethelwulf
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I think the Russians have fallen into a trap set up by the Americans and nato
The weapons they need are coming or already there and I expect them to start pushing the Russians back
It is a real incursion, but not a huge gain at the moment. It is true that Ukraine will be stretched across the front line to defend it.
As @Ethelwulf says below, there is at least a possibility of it being a partial trap. Ukraine have, in the past, been good at small retreats, sucking in more Russian troops and then destroying them.
We'll know in a few days if Ukraine retreated out of total necessity or whether it can be turned to an advantage...
brighton_dave
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- Apr 13, 2016
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I've had this in the back of my mind too, hoping this ie exactly what's happening. A little false hope before blowing the shit out of them.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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I’m a fan of Bill Browder. I watched his recent appearance at a parliamentary committee (sorry don’t know how to provide a link) when he strongly argued for the confiscation ( not just freezing) of Russian assets to pay for the defence of Ukraine. In simple terms he asked whether it was more important to respect Putin’s rights to the assets or instead ask western tax payers to fund the war effort.
fly high
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I truly hope you are right. Chatting to my Mum's Ukraine neighbours they said all they can do is hope and believe eventually Ukraine will win out even if it takes ten years. Hope it's a lot sooner than that.It is a real incursion, but not a huge gain at the moment. It is true that Ukraine will be stretched across the front line to defend it.
As @Ethelwulf says below, there is at least a possibility of it being a partial trap. Ukraine have, in the past, been good at small retreats, sucking in more Russian troops and then destroying them.
We'll know in a few days if Ukraine retreated out of total necessity or whether it can be turned to an advantage...