I would say they are third generation Russian immigrant, or third generation Russian Ukrainian, or Ukrainian of Russian heritage. I don't think anyone other than you would say a person whose grandparents came from another country, were third generation Italian?
I know families that have lived in Crawley for 3 generations, but the kids still support Newcastle United, or Leeds, like their Grandads do.A very reasonable and confortable definition, which sadly diesn't apply to some people - third generation born and raised in England - when their great grandparents' country is playing England at Lords or the Oval. A cataclysmic failure of multi-culturalism as an alernative to integration and inclusivity.
The latter two sound ok, the first sounds offensive. I don't think an American would appreciate being called an immigrant when even their parents were American born.
I think it's quite common in America for people to say they're x generation American, meaning their ancestors are not from America. Bear in mind that we're discussing the English language here, so you're not going to hear English phrases in countries that don't speak English.
dont know why you're getting this wrong. you describe someone who is simply Italian.
But by saying - they are Ukrainians with Russian ancestors - sort of misses the point. Plenty of people have viking ancestry if you go back a 1000 years.... The point I made was that that there are many Ukrainians who were born in Russia, and a lot more whose parents or grandparents originated there i.e. very recent ties.
It's genuinely horrifying that in 2023 Russuans can invade and treat civilians in such a disgusting way. The UN and the International Courts should hang their heads in shame that there is no concerted method of stopping them. Russia just ignores conventions on civilians and armed forces and indeed The Geneva Conventions themselves....those poor people in Eastern Ukraine.
That's incorrect, at least in the US context: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/02/07/second-generation-americans/
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Yes. And by the same token, Ukrainians whose ancestors come from Russia, are still Ukrainians. They're not 2nd or 3rd generation Russians.
I'm not making the rules.
Understood.
Also understood - but it's worth including the percentage (as you have there). If 10-20% were not happy with the move towards the West, we don't want to misrepresent that as a large number that in any way explains a rebellion, which isn't what happened.
OK, but if we are discussing form and use of English in the UK, we would be fannies to use American English ways of speaking as examples.
Regards the last point I am not sure where 10-20% occursis. One very pro-Russian political party got 44 MPs out of the total 430 so just over 10%, there were other parties that were also in favour of more Russian ties. But it is possible most of those votes were in the Donbas areas so would be very significant % in that area.
Yeah, but that's still votes for a more Russian leading MP/government, which is not the same as actually voting to join Russia.
I would think the invasion has opened a few of their eyes to what they were leaning towards....
This would be a true perception from my father in law (originally Russian) and other similar guys of his generation in the village. History taught them that ' might is right' (even when it isn't) and 'safe' for them.
and your source is .......
