[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[The Clamp]

I don't know why Ukraine doesn't just say it was a drone

Read the “article”.

 

[Commander]

And yet the West still rolls over & fall for it. If we had all stood up in the early days & given Ukraine the tools to win Ukraine would not be in the position it finds itself now, they would have won by now. Something many of us on here have already said & no doubt will say again.

It's easy to say now. I remember saying before this all began that if NATO had lined up a massive force on the Ukraine / Russia border and said to Putin "If you put one foot across that border you are at war with NATO" then there is no way on Earth he would have invaded. But can you imagine how unpopular that policy would have been domestically? Hundreds of thousands would have been out on the streets of every city in Europe protesting against a war with Russia.

 

[The Clamp]

It's easy to say now. I remember saying before this all began that if NATO had lined up a massive force on the Ukraine / Russia border and said to Putin "If you put one foot across that border you are at war with NATO" then there is no way on Earth he would have invaded. But can you imagine how unpopular that policy would have been domestically? Hundreds of thousands would have been out on the streets of every city in Europe protesting against a war with Russia.

I very much doubt anyone would have protested. With Russia’s history of horrendous invasions of other counties, there was never any doubt what Russia what Russia were going to do.

We should have fired a few missiles at the Russian troops massed by the border. Sent them packing before they even stepped over the border.

 

[Commander]

I very much doubt anyone would have protested. With Russia’s history of horrendous invasions of other counties, there was never any doubt what Russia what Russia were going to do.

We should have fired a few missiles at the Russian troops massed by the border. Sent them packing before they even stepped over the border.

People would have been absolutely up in arms about us 'warmongering' against a nuclear power. It was an absolute non-starter of a policy. Even though it was probably the correct one.

 

[Braggfan]

People would have been absolutely up in arms about us 'warmongering' against a nuclear power. It was an absolute non-starter of a policy. Even though it was probably the correct one.

I think you're absolutely right on both counts. With hindsight we should have done exactly as you say. But as you point out there would definitely have been mass protests.

Personally I've been amazed at how many of my opinions have changed because of this war. I did previously protest the war in Iraq, and was in favour of nuclear disarmament for many years. I think because I was naive enough to believe that we wouldn't get to this situation we're currently in. But I think its clear that Russia only responds to force, and that its also clear nuclear deterrent is sadly still absolutely essential.

 

[The Clamp]

People would have been absolutely up in arms about us 'warmongering' against a nuclear power. It was an absolute non-starter of a policy. Even though it was probably the correct one.

I think you are wrong.