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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)







The Clamp

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I’m glad they’ve lifted this ludicrous restriction which should never have been in place.

It played right into Putin’s hands.

It was a huge mistake to make such a marked point about it being in place. It never needed to be. It should never have existed or mentioned.

It gave Putin another one of his “red lines” which he dared the West not to cross.

And it shouldn’t be being made into such a big deal now it’s been lifted. There shouldn’t be any reporting around it at all.

He says that about everything, so massive barrel of Siberia’s finest salt on that.

Nevertheless, why do we constantly get these basic moves so wrong?
 


Triggaaar

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Bollocks. WWII was a legitimate fight for the allies. Unlike Putin's 'Special Military Operation' there was a genuine need to defeat fascism, and I'm damn glad our parents and grandparents did just that, and f*** any wet wimps who start whinging and wringing their hands about it.

You seem to be confused between your personal opinion and what the world has agreed are war crimes. I'm not saying you can't be glad that our ancestors did what they did, but you're incorrect to say that no war crimes were committed by the allies.
 


Triggaaar

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And it shouldn’t be being made into such a big deal now it’s been lifted. There shouldn’t be any reporting around it at all.

But the reporting of it gives us hope for Ukraine and that's a good thing.

Because Russia have been unable to win on the battlefield, one of their key strategies has been to spread propaganda to pretend that they will win, and so people should stop supporting Ukraine. The news that Ukraine now have more ability to fight back helps fight that propaganda.
 


The Clamp

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But the reporting of it gives us hope for Ukraine and that's a good thing.

Because Russia have been unable to win on the battlefield, one of their key strategies has been to spread propaganda to pretend that they will win, and so people should stop supporting Ukraine. The news that Ukraine now have more ability to fight back helps fight that propaganda.
Well to a point.

They may as well report it I suppose, now they have lifted the nonsensical, totally arbitrary restriction anyway.

I’d not report if if it were my decision. But then I’d have blasted Russia back to the sulphur swamps the minute it attempted to take Crimea in 2014.

Putin should have had his filthy fascist pants pulled down long ago.
 








Commander

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You seem to be confused between your personal opinion and what the world has agreed are war crimes. I'm not saying you can't be glad that our ancestors did what they did, but you're incorrect to say that no war crimes were committed by the allies.
The rules for conflict were created in 1949 at the Geneva convention, weren't they? Om which case surely the Allies can't have committed war crimes before then, because they didn't exist.
 
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nevergoagain

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You seem to be confused between your personal opinion and what the world has agreed are war crimes. I'm not saying you can't be glad that our ancestors did what they did, but you're incorrect to say that no war crimes were committed by the allies.
I don't know the answer to this, genuinely, but were they actually marked as war crimes in WW2?. Geneva convention was afterwards of course but I don't know what the predecessor (Hague ?) said. To be clear, I'm not doubting that the Allies did commit what would be classed as war crimes today.
 


Triggaaar

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But then I’d have blasted Russia back to the sulphur swamps the minute it attempted to take Crimea in 2014.

It would have been easier then too, because Putin said it was nothing to do with him, just rebels. We could have supported Ukraine against the 'rebels'.
 


Triggaaar

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The rules for conflict were created in 1949 at the Geneva convention, weren't they? Om which case surely the Allies can't have committed war crimes before then, because they didn't exist.
No, there were rules of engagement before the first World War.
 






Triggaaar

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I don't know the answer to this, genuinely, but were they actually marked as war crimes in WW2?. Geneva convention was afterwards of course but I don't know what the predecessor (Hague ?) said. To be clear, I'm not doubting that the Allies did commit what would be classed as war crimes today.

I think changes were made (crimes added, definitions changed) but Nazis from ww2 were prosecuted for war crimes. Difficult to do that if they weren't crimes during the war, but I don't know.
 


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