[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Insel affe]

There is a chance here Trump has actually fecked Putin, he has caused Europe to look into themselves and realise we cannot reply on America to always be there. I think Putin is now very worried about Europe growing closer together in their military capabilities investing more in their armed forces etc etc. I could be totally wrong, I am not sure if Trump meant this to happen but Russia are very worried about this seemingly new found zest to back the Ukraine from Europe.

Putins next move is going to be interesting, bigger rockets, more civilian deaths will not go down well right now, he has not the ground forces to penetrate much further into the Ukraine, he is basically a busted flush like his economy.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

The EU is stepping up as I thought it would.

I wish the UK were a part of it, but thankfully, we are aligning closely with the EU on defence.

Interesting that Hungary and Slovakia signed up for this. I think both have seen just how loathed Putin is and his interference in world politics makes their position just a tad twitchy. The fact that Europe appears to have said ‘Hold my coat’ when it comes to Putin will really make them nervous. Trump running around like a toddler on blue smarties (apologies to toddlers) being a prick will also make them nervous. A joy to behold.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

There is a chance here Trump has actually fecked Putin, he has caused Europe to look into themselves and realise we cannot reply on America to always be there. I think Putin is now very worried about Europe growing closer together in their military capabilities investing more in their armed forces etc etc. I could be totally wrong, I am not sure if Trump meant this to happen but Russia are very worried about this seemingly new found zest to back the Ukraine from Europe.

Putins next move is going to be interesting, bigger rockets, more civilian deaths will not go down well right now, he has not the ground forces to penetrate much further into the Ukraine, he is basically a busted flush like his economy.

Trump has also f***ed the US. Their standing in Europe was all about It’s military might, the threat to remove it has galvanised Europe like never before, which should mean we don’t need the US nearly as much going forward.

 

[Insel affe]

Trump has also f***ed the US. Their standing in Europe was all about It’s military might, the threat to remove it has galvanised Europe like never before, which should mean we don’t need the US nearly as much going forward.

Possibly, but at least we can be an equal and in the distant future when Russia changes (which it will one day) quite possibly if required we will be bigger and stronger than America, which will descend into another civil war when those scary white rich folk are actually under threat of losing their grip on power as America becomes more diverse,

I could be wrong.

 

[Eric the meek]

Interesting that Hungary and Slovakia signed up for this. I think both have seen just how loathed Putin is and his interference in world politics makes their position just a tad twitchy. The fact that Europe appears to have said ‘Hold my coat’ when it comes to Putin will really make them nervous. Trump running around like a toddler on blue smarties (apologies to toddlers) being a prick will also make them nervous. A joy to behold.

You're right. I didn't give the inclusion of Hungary and Slovakia the attention it warrants.

I'm guessing that either they've both had a volte-face or, somewhat more likely, they both came under pressure from the EU. But I fear their continued presence at the EU table means a real risk of EU policy and detail of defence moves being shared with Putin in advance of it entering the public domain.

'Apologies to toddlers' - I like it.

 

[Bodian]

On the BBC

So - if both sides want to make a peace deal, why doesn't he just get on and broker it? He doesn't need his minerals deal to do that. Do you think 'a different way that only I know' means he's been told by Putin that Russia cannot carry on - and are therefore desperate for a ceasefire, and are using him to get the land and so on?

I have no words to describe the contempt in which I hold him now.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

I'm old enough to remember when Keith Kellogg was considered to be sensible and a staunch supporter of Ukraine. Now I see he's just another spineless yes man. He can get in the bin with all the other ****s.

 

[Jim in the West]

Trudeau trolling Trump, brilliant

That is fantastic. I really love Canadians!!

 

[Insel affe]

I have no words to describe the contempt in which I hold him now.

Oh, you have gone to early he is only 2 and a bit months into 4 years (at least)
He will top this guaranteed

 

[raymondo]

The EU is stepping up as I thought it would.

I wish the UK were a part of it, but thankfully, we are aligning closely with the EU on defence.

It's very interesting that Hungary and Slovakia signed up to it - good.

 

[Eric the meek]

On the BBC

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So - if both sides want to make a peace deal, why doesn't he just get on and broker it? He doesn't need his minerals deal to do that. Do you think 'a different way that only I know' means he's been told by Putin that Russia cannot carry on - and are therefore desperate for a ceasefire, and are using him to get the land and so on?

I have no words to describe the contempt in which I hold him now.

Wait. Hang on a minute.

'A different way that only I know'. What the F*** does that mean? And why is he not sharing it with the world?

After all, he shared with the world, that 'Ukraine can't win this'. Why the different treatment of Russia?

 

[Jim in the West]

The EU is stepping up as I thought it would.

I wish the UK were a part of it, but thankfully, we are aligning closely with the EU on defence.

I was listening to the excellent Irish Times podcast "Inside Politics" yesterday - they were talking of the EU wanting to get the UK into a specially designed Single Market for defence products. Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere - but it would be a very significant step towards the UK re-aligning it's trade within the EU orbit.

 

[raymondo]

Recently Ukraine has increased it's air strikes at and across the borders with Kursk and Bryansk. This means it's very likely Russia has little or no air defense left in these regions - Ukraine has taken out many Russian SAM systems.
Details here:

 

[Bodian]

Wait. Hang on a minute.

'A different way that only I know'. What the F*** does that mean? And why is he not sharing it with the world?

After all, he shared with the world, that 'Ukraine can't win this'. Why the different treatment of Russia?

Precisely.

He probably knows sweet FA anyway....

This is precisely the sort of question the press should be asking him - but he'll then just ban them.

 

[Eric the meek]

It's very interesting that Hungary and Slovakia signed up to it - good.

Europe MUST be united. Completely and utterly. No stragglers. No dissenting voices. No leaks. This is of critical importance.

 

[raymondo]

Wait. Hang on a minute.

'A different way that only I know'. What the F*** does that mean? And why is he not sharing it with the world?

After all, he shared with the world, that 'Ukraine can't win this'. Why the different treatment of Russia?

"He's so great, the coolest one with the biggest mouth" if you know that Stevie Wonder song.
He doesn't know, he's making stuff up daily and his acolytes have fallen for it for years.

 

[raymondo]

Europe MUST be united. Completely and utterly. No stragglers. No dissenting voices. No leaks. This is of critical importance.

Absolutely - maybe Hungary and Slovakia didn't want their EU funding cut. Also, Hungarian elections soonest... maybe Orban trying to look reasonably European. We'll see.

 

[Eric the meek]

I was listening to the excellent Irish Times podcast "Inside Politics" yesterday - they were talking of the EU wanting to get the UK into a specially designed Single Market for defence products. Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere - but it would be a very significant step towards the UK re-aligning it's trade within the EU orbit.

That's an interesting one Jim, which I haven't heard before. For a start, it is good to see the EU have confidence in our defence industry. Let's hope it can be expedited asap, and sort out the finer details later.

 

[raymondo]

I was listening to the excellent Irish Times podcast "Inside Politics" yesterday - they were talking of the EU wanting to get the UK into a specially designed Single Market for defence products. Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere - but it would be a very significant step towards the UK re-aligning it's trade within the EU orbit.

I like these practical moves - needs must.
The excellent speech by that French senator two days back...he said he wanted the UK involved heavily in all European defense stuff.

 

[Eric the meek]

I like these practical moves - needs must.
The excellent speech by that French senator two days back...he said he wanted the UK involved heavily in all European defense stuff.

I remember during the height of the Brexit furore, when the Brexit warriors dropped unsubtle hints that they were prepared to withhold UK security expertise, from the EU, as a negotiating tool, the Germans in particular were aghast.

They value our defence capabilities.