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Obviously the 'sign it in one hour ' threat from the US was an insult.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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Obviously the 'sign it in one hour ' threat from the US was an insult.
A very solid piece to read, thanks
Ukrainians gather in Tallinn to mark anniversary of full-scale invasion
Ukraine needs the support of the Baltic states now more than ever, Ukrainian Ambassador to Estonia Maksym Kononenko said at a rally to mark the anniversary of the start of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.news.err.ee
fly high
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Need to see them deploy more of them attacking Russian oil, military sites & ports. Seems to have been a bit of a lull.
Awesome
There's a memorial event this afternoon in Brighton..
UKRAINIAN MEMORIAL DAY | For Ukraine B&H
Please join the Ukrainian community in Brighton and Hove to reflect on the eleven years of war in Ukraine and three years of full-scale invasion.
www.standforukrainebnh.org
I've been wondering if they've held back because of the 'negotiations'
armchairclubber
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No, I dont think so either and as things look and stand right now, I would definitely be against it.
As far as the UK is concerned, it sounds like you are in agreement that deal doesn't sound plausible and that we don't want to see Starmer coming back with 'Trumps deal'
I'm more hopeful in that respect than I was a few days ago.
Agree with you there too.
It may also be for the birds, but with everything up in the air and changing geopolitically, might it be possible for Europe and Ukraine to make a peace deal with Russia, if Putin was still willing to negotiate? One thing they may all be able to agree on, for starters, is that Trump is a twat.
It's OK, you don't have to answer that
Deportivo Seagull
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Putin is as bad a Trump, so there will be no peace until he is gone.No, I dont think so either and as things look and stand right now, I would definitely be against it.
As far as the UK is concerned, it sounds like you are in agreement that deal doesn't sound plausible and that we don't want to see Starmer coming back with 'Trumps deal'
I'm more hopeful in that respect than I was a few days ago.
Agree with you there too.
It may also be for the birds, but with everything up in the air and changing geopolitically, might it be possible for Europe and Ukraine to make a peace deal with Russia, if Putin was still willing to negotiate? One thing they may all be able to agree on, for starters, is that Trump is a twat.
It's OK, you don't have to answer that
armchairclubber
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Or Trump is also gone, in that case?
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Both would be nice.
Hopefully they won't sign anything bad. If they do, hopefully the Democrats would tear up the contract, but I'm not sure they should say they will, as that would stop the MAGA idiots voting for them.
- Jan 25, 2025
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Yeah, fully agree, I suspect anything that could be remotely perceived as selling Ukraine down the river would be catastrophic for Labour domestically and for the UK’s long term interests.
I was reflecting earlier on Starmer’s approach to the riots last summer. Totally different scenario of course, and we can debate the merits of his approach; but he certainly wasn’t slow in showing the rioters that there would be immediate consequences.
He needs to be just as proactive and decisive in this.
My feeling is that Trump will do to Starmer (and Macron) what he’s just done to Duda of Poland - turn up an hour late and then give them 10 minutes.
That should further concentrate minds.
I've been wondering if they've held back because of the 'negotiations'
No. More destruction puts you in a better position to negotiate.
- Jan 25, 2025
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Oh, I’m happy to answer and say that Putin definitely thinks Trump is a twat. It’s why he made him the president…One thing they may all be able to agree on, for starters, is that Trump is a twat.
It's OK, you don't have to answer that
I agree, I'm just missing the three daily refinery hits
Putin has no interest in any fair negotiations. If he thinks he can win (and with Trump's help, he probably does now), then he won't take anything less than the whole of Ukraine. But if we help Ukraine win, and keep sanctions on Russia, eventually even Putin will see that Russia will lose, and then he'll come begging for a deal.
I agree, I'm just missing the three daily refinery hits
I think Ukraine are trying to find one that's not on fire.
armchairclubber
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That is all sounding really tangled to me with any suggestion that Europe and the UK, with troops if necessary, should continue in 'ensuring' Ukraine win it's war with Russia.
If it goes that way I hope it's as simple as you make it sound.
One things for sure, whilst those of us reading these pages might not all agree on strategy, or how quickly that objective might be achieved, most are by now probably quite clued up on the conflict and how it's serious ongoing consequences could more affect Britain.
I'm not sure about Joe Public. (I know, several pages already spent on that too)
- Nov 11, 2009
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Well put it this way, he's been branded two tier Keir, his chancellor is having a mare, already after a not to convincing 6 months, theyre down in the polls.
This is his moment to do the right thing, be strong and he may just turn the tide on his own polling.
Sell Ukraine down the river, and it will only compound his mounting issues