Basically the US are demanding $100bn for $50bn worth of kit. I'd hope Ukraine could borrow $100bn from a friendly country at low interest rates, and buy $100bn worth of kit from the US- thereby getting double the kit.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Basically the US are demanding $100bn for $50bn worth of kit. I'd hope Ukraine could borrow $100bn from a friendly country at low interest rates, and buy $100bn worth of kit from the US- thereby getting double the kit.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,999
By wheeling out the whole team, they are getting desperate. Zelensky has got them on the run.
And he's doing it politely with facts.
GoldstoneVintage
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Just did a search with ChatGPT and it came back with this:
Recent reports indicate that Finnish Member of the European Parliament (MEP) Mika Aaltola has claimed that U.S. President Donald Trump has given European nations a three-week ultimatum to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender to Russia. Aaltola stated that if Europe fails to comply, the United States will withdraw its military presence from the continent. He further noted that President Trump is prioritizing Russia's security concerns in current and future policies.
This development has raised significant concerns among European leaders about the stability of the transatlantic alliance and the future of NATO's collective defense strategy. The potential U.S. military withdrawal from Europe could have profound implications for regional security and the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.
- Nov 11, 2009
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I think Zelensky just made a mistake to say he'd step down if Ukraine got NATO membership, even though I understand why he'd say that.
Putin and his puppets Trump and Musk are desperate to get rid of him. he's everything they're not, principled, putting nation before himself and a roadblock to their sick ambitions etc.
If Trump is serious about pulling plug on NATO anyway, he could railroad dissenters like Orban into approving Ukraine, most EU would probably support anyway, get them in, get Zelensky out, then pull plug on US involvement.
That would require that Trump knows what he's doing.
But even if that happened what would be the outcome? Trump and Putin declare war on Europe?
I think Europe (well, the EU) is big enough to cope.
But none of it will happen.
Well that's an easy one. Let them pull out.
Not sure that'll help the projection of US power.
I imagine it's a pathetic bluff, but even if it's not we have to say no.
Maybe we've all been misinterpreting the meaning of Trump's words when he called Zelensky a dictator. Maybe he meant it as a compliment.
GoldstoneVintage
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Really good article:
www.theguardian.com
From saviour to Judas… How Trump’s pivot on Russia also endangers his own country | Simon Tisdall
With a Putin-appeasing president at the helm, it is clear the transatlantic alliance is collapsing and European leaders must plot their own course
www.theguardian.com
I didn't read it that way.
I took that to mean that if the deal was 'Ukraine can join NATO but only if Zelensky steps down' - he'd happily do that. Putting country before himself.
I don't think he said 'If we join NATO, I will step down'.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,999
There's no room or place for complacency.
We know that Russia is weak militarily and economically right now. So there is no need to worry. Russia is not about to run riot in Europe. For now.
But their belligerence remains as strong as ever.
The Royal United Services Institute said that as Russia suffers on the battlefield, we should expect an uptick on other fronts - cyber warfare, sabotage, disinformation, funding of far-right parties etc. They said that in the autumn of 2022. The passage of time has shown they were spot on.
I believe you, but at some point I hope America stands up and says no, we don't want to become like Russia.
I'm the same...each clip kills more of my brain cells.
I agree, I felt the same.
Still, he can backtrack, just say he was kidding... Trump changes his mind all the time.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,999
And Madrid. And Barcelona. And Taiwan. And Budapest. And Washington. And Vilnius.
Other cities are available.
What a message from the world. To Ukraine, and to Trump.
Hopefully Ukraine would get into NATO, Zelenskyy would step down and new elections would be held. Zelenskyy would stand in those elections, and win.
Exactly the same take as the Jonathan Pye vid I posted (but without the swearing. I prefer it with the swearing.)Really good article:
From saviour to Judas… How Trump’s pivot on Russia also endangers his own country | Simon Tisdall
With a Putin-appeasing president at the helm, it is clear the transatlantic alliance is collapsing and European leaders must plot their own course
I'm far from complacent.
We should be on a war footing now.
Perhaps we already are.
By war I mean . . . . well this bloke was clear minded.
Clausewitz’s Wondrous Yet Paradoxical Trinity: The Nature of War as a Complex Adaptive Sys
Clausewitz described war as a paradoxical trinity comprised of the tendencies of the people, the commander and his army, and the government. The three elements of the Clausewitz trinity interact
ndupress.ndu.edu
- Aug 24, 2020
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We need to move to a war footing with immediate effect. Three years on this forum has taught me that Russia is deeply and profoundly malevolent.I'm far from complacent.
We should be on a war footing now.
Perhaps we already are.
By war I mean . . . . well this bloke was clear minded.
Clausewitz’s Wondrous Yet Paradoxical Trinity: The Nature of War as a Complex Adaptive Sys
Clausewitz described war as a paradoxical trinity comprised of the tendencies of the people, the commander and his army, and the government. The three elements of the Clausewitz trinity interactndupress.ndu.edu
Trump's stultifying incompetence has emboldened and strengthened a weakened Russia.
I was floored by a comment by an academic early in the war (whose name I can't recall), who said that Russia has been at war with us, since Putin rose to power in December 1999. It's just that we didn't notice.
A bitter and revanchist Russia will emerge from the peace process, whatever the outcome may be. A ceasefire will only provide a temporary respite for Russia to regroup and rearm. Peace will only create a vacancy for Russian imperialism to find another outlet, a softer target than Ukraine. That target will already have been selected.