[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

And Madrid. And Barcelona. And Taiwan. And Budapest. And Washington. And Vilnius.

Other cities are available.

What a message from the world. To Ukraine, and to Trump.

Especially congratulations to Washington and Budapest from that list

 

[raymondo]

Well that's an easy one. Let them pull out.

Not sure that'll help the projection of US power.

I imagine it's a pathetic bluff, but even if it's not we have to say no.

Yep, given that Trump seems to want out of NATO anyway, and reduce US defense budget by 50% ,(and trust Russia to do the same =Russian asset or wanker or both), at same time as Europe has to double their defense budgets, I wouldn't trust US NATO troops to do anything anyway if Russia invaded Baltics ("article 5, what's that, nah, it's only a bit of Lithuania, they can defend it themselves..." that's Trump's reaction by the way!), ...where was I, lost my thread, oh yeah, fxck off Trump and your team of spineless flunkies.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Putin has no interest in any fair negotiations. If he thinks he can win (and with Trump's help, he probably does now), then he won't take anything less than the whole of Ukraine. But if we help Ukraine win, and keep sanctions on Russia, eventually even Putin will see that Russia will lose, and then he'll come begging for a deal.

one of my concerns is how long the sanctions regime will remain effective if (as part of a deal with Putin) the US relaxes them

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

This is quite long (30 mins) but it's well worth watching imho.

Also this, with the excellent Bill Browser.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Exactly the same take as the Jonathan Pye vid I posted (but without the swearing. I prefer it with the swearing.)

Me too. Supertanskiii is also good for that.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Trump appears of unsound mind and full of lies.

I’m slowing down as I get older and it’s only just occurred to me from where the expression “trumped up” originates

How can you do a deal with someone behaving like a moron, appearing maybe a little deranged, telling lies and who cannot be trusted?

I assume we’re talking of both Trump and Putin here, though you could create quite a long list if you add Lavrov, Musk et Al

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yep, given that Trump seems to want out of NATO anyway, and reduce US defense budget by 50% ,(and trust Russia to do the same =Russian asset or wanker or both), at same time as Europe has to double their defense budgets, I wouldn't trust US NATO troops to do anything anyway if Russia invaded Baltics ("article 5, what's that, nah, it's only a bit of Lithuania, they can defend it themselves..." that's Trump's reaction by the way!), ...where was I, lost my thread, oh yeah, fxck off Trump and your team of spineless flunkies.

If the EU (and us sad wanker 'free and independent' outsiders) double our defense spending, and America halves theirs, why don't we just invade America?

 

[pocketseagull]

I believe you, but at some point I hope America stands up and says no, we don't want to become like Russia.

I don't see why the current administration would decide this. Trump was hampered in his first term because of nominally traditional Republicans, this time round he's surrounded himself with sycophants, true believers and actual nazis. We're stuck with at least four years of USA being more foe than friend.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Have a look at this.... Will need to hit translate at bottom. It's from Denis Danilov, a prominent Ukrainian political scientist, who

He says a Finnish MEP has said, Trump has advised Europe they have 3 weeks to force Ukraines capitulation to Russia or else US is pulling out of Europe?

Maybe the next time the US wants a tame ally to give them the “halo effect “ for military action in Afghanistan or Iraq, or if they want to use RAF Akrotiri……we should simply tell them to do one

 

[astralavi]

Putin gets Ukraine, Trump gets Greenland whose to stop them if they are working together more mutual benefit

 

[pocketseagull]

 

[raymondo]

If the EU (and us sad wanker 'free and independent' outsiders) double our defense spending, and America halves theirs, why don't we just invade America?

We could partner with Canada... they'd be up for that!

 

[Eric the meek]

And Trump has only been in power for a month. That's a special talent. World class arrogance, ignorance and incompetence.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Good rant from an ex CIA operative:

Meet our new allies: Russia

They planned to put bombs on our planes, but we are pursuing glorious partnerships with them. Al-Qaeda asks: WTF?

open.substack.com

 

[A1X]

If the EU (and us sad wanker 'free and independent' outsiders) double our defense spending, and America halves theirs, why don't we just invade America?

We don’t need to invade, just sail up the Potomac and set fire to the White House again

We’ve done it before, we can do it again.

 

[Sirnormangall]

We could partner with Canada... they'd be up for that!

Wonderful idea …and it would p1ss off Trump soooo much. I’m convinced that many of you on here could have a fantastic career in the foreign office.

 

[raymondo]

Wonderful idea …and it would p1ss off Trump soooo much. I’m convinced that many of you on here could have a fantastic career in the foreign office.

Yes, a new type of Diplomatic Corps

 

[peterward]

Yeah just seen that..... astonishing thing to say by incoming Chancellor, and Germans are normally quite reserved.

I like him already and hope Europe can pull together and bin off Trump.

In other news Zelensky steadfastly refusing to sign mineral rape deal.

 

[Billy in Bristol]

This may have been posted before but a calm summary of events.

 

[Triggaaar]

I don't see why the current administration would decide this. Trump was hampered in his first term because of nominally traditional Republicans, this time round he's surrounded himself with sycophants, true believers and actual nazis.

It doesn't have to be those close to him, and can be all Americans, including many in high office.