[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Triggaaar]

Some where much earlier in this thread I posted that if NATO/Europe had put boots on the ground day one to push back the Russians then this would have been over by now and Ukraine would not be occupied. Sadly NATO and Europe ran away from the problem.

You don't know what the consequences of that would have been.

 

[Eric the meek]

Jake Broe is going to love this. His digest is already out. Something about Elon Musk, a weird salute, 14 US flags, 88 and HH. I'll link it later with timings.

 

[raymondo]

The US has loads laws in place that would prevent that. The US weapons industry most certainly don’t want there kit in Russian hands, it would effectively be seen as giving away their military advantage.

I know, you've explained that before ... but with Trump's cronies in positions of power I don't rule out anything.

 

[raymondo]

Trump wins the Nobel prize for "treachery and the support of genocide".

 

[Triggaaar]

He will threaten to arm Russia, or deal with Russia on Donbas rare earths.

Russia won't be able to mine the land as long as Ukraine commit to bombing them. And American companies aren't going to show up while Ukraine are still bombing the area.

Europe needs to pre-empt this. Some clever diplomacy required.

 

[A1X]

Some where much earlier in this thread I posted that if NATO/Europe had put boots on the ground day one to push back the Russians then this would have been over by now and Ukraine would not be occupied. Sadly NATO and Europe ran away from the problem.

For many reasons this would have been an incredibly stupid thing to do, and fortunately NATO likely never even contemplated doing it as a result

 

[Triggaaar]

The US has loads laws in place that would prevent that.

Trump is in charge of the laws now, keep up.

The US weapons industry most certainly don’t want there kit in Russian hands, it would effectively be seen as giving away their military advantage.

But I do agree with you. One way or another the US would stop Trump.

 

[Eric the meek]

Russia won't be able to mine the land as long as Ukraine commit to bombing them. And American companies aren't going to show up while Ukraine are still bombing the area.

Europe needs to pre-empt this. Some clever diplomacy required.

I hear Farage is available.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I wonder if he’ll lose interest soon?

It seems that most MAGA voters have very little concern what goes on outside America. I wonder if he’ll just give up and start chatting shit about something else like he seems to have done with Gaza once he destabilised the peace and the region with his nonsense.

That would be my take,
He will not fight a battle that he can’t easily win and Ukraine isn’t an easy win for him. He’s using tactics that he uses in business which is bullying, intimidation and finally lawyer. The first two won’t work on Zelensky and lawyers aren’t applicable in this case.
He’ll turn inwards a find someone to demonise so his supporters can’t see the utter embarrassment that he’s turned the US into.
The tweet from Pence yesterday was interesting as pence has always been a ‘yes sir, no sir‘ when it comes to Trump.

One other thing that will be interesting is that Americans love to be popular and at the moment they are stinking the planet out. apparently the Canadians booing the US anthem at NHL games was really an eye opener for them.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Trump's negotiating tactics are becoming more Russian by the hour.

And now he’s saying that Putin holds all the cards in the negotiations….really?! Only if Trump lets him, surely. Putin’s cards presumably include the much rumoured Trump video

 

[Bold Seagull]

Building wind farms on land and sea means you are loading up the up front implementation/logistical costs before you even get to the energy costs. Even then, for the foreseeable all energy prices are hooked to the global gas prices. In this way it’s double bubble for companies and consumers in the U.K. as we pay the costs of introducing new energy sources but still pay rates linked to gas. We both know how we can reduce energy costs…………the infrastructure already exists.

We are not the major European exporting nation Trump has in his sights, we can pretend we are, sounds like you want to get involved. Trump has already indicated there is a deal for us, as there was last time he was POTUS.

I suspect like the US we find many different ways to spend taxpayers money. With Trump making it clear we have to pay much more for defence we can either do that and cut any spend not for benefit of U.K. taxpayers or step back from these geo political issues and complete the dis-arming process.

The infrastructure doesn't already exist, one of the key problems in UK energy is the delivery network not the generation. Our combined energy generation from renewables could provide a surplus, but our grid infrastructure is the main draw back. The National Grid has already announced plans for further expansion of its battery storage facilities that can absorb the surplus generation from renewables and deliver at peak demand. The more the uk reduces it's gas dependency, the more we will control our own energy prices.

What's your big plan to reduce energy costs if it isn't to reduce our reliance on gas - which as it stands we have the highest dependency on gas in Europe.

 

[Eric the meek]

I hear Farage is available.

I was being facetious. I hope.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I know, you've explained that before ... but with Trump's cronies in positions of power I don't rule out anything.

I know I have but it’s is worth repeating. Money talks and the weapons industry in the US is very protective (quite rightly) of their kit. Presidents come and go …….

 

[A1X]

The US has loads laws in place that would prevent that. The US weapons industry most certainly don’t want there kit in Russian hands, it would effectively be seen as giving away their military advantage.

Trump has this very week signed an Executive Order which states essentially that if he says it’s legal then it is. Now, obviously this could be stress tested in the courts, but he’s already busy rigging those in his favour.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

I think I see what's going to happen now.

Trump stresses how much Putin wants peace and to 'stop the dying'

A peace deal is proposed that allows Putin to keep Ukrainian land and basically gives Ukraine f*** all.

Putin readily accepts, but it is of course unacceptable to Zelensky and the Ukrainian people.

Trump and his cheerleaders then paint Zelensky as a war monger who has no interest in peace and isn't legitimate anyway seeing as there's been no elections for over 5 years.

I really, really hope I'm wrong.

One week on and it feels like this is coming true. Trump and Co. are traitors. I just hope Zelensky doesn't fall in the trap.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Trump has this very week signed an Executive Order which states essentially that if he says it’s legal then it is. Now, obviously this could be stress tested in the courts, but he’s already busy rigging those in his favour.

It’ll end up in the courts or more than likely the heads of Boeing, General Dynamics, et al will tell him that they wont send arms to a country that would attempt to pillage their IP. The military will say that it would erode the US military advantage and put US lives at risk.

It’s would be very difficult and he doesn’t do anything where he could lose. He doesn’t do losing as we saw with the ‘stop the steal because I’m a prick’ message.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Trump wants to resurrect the rare earths deal with Zelensky, and has made an unspecified threat on what will happen if Zelensky doesn't sign.

Yes. Really.

This is awful. Can you link to your source?

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

I hear Farage is available.

Yes, I haven't heard the frog-faced ****s take on Trump's betrayal yet. Surely, he'll try to justify it, just like Liar Johnson.

 

[Eric the meek]

This is awful. Can you link to your source?

I'm trying to find it now.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

And now he’s saying that Putin holds all the cards in the negotiations….really?! Only if Trump lets him, surely. Putin’s cards presumably include the much rumoured Trump video

Putin doesn’t. Trump is just trying trying to bully Zelensky which is a waste of time as Ukraine has been giving Putin a bloody nose for the last three years. Trump has no real grasp on reality other than the one in his head.