[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Dorset Seagull]

That bullet just needed to be a cm to the right.

Assuming it was not a setup then that one outcome could be a defining moment in world history

 

[papachris]

BBC News - Starmer backs Zelensky after Trump 'dictator' claim

Starmer backs Zelensky after Trump 'dictator' claim

The prime minister spoke to Zelensky on the phone and expressed support for "Ukraine's democratically elected leader".

www.bbc.com

 

[A1X]

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

Just reading some replies to the Mike Pence tweet, one calling Trump 'Orange Shitler'. I like that a lot

 

[essbee1]

Assuming it was not a setup then that one outcome could be a defining moment in world history

Apparently, during WW1 trenches, Hitler met a soldier in no man's land in combat and that
soldier who had the upper hand didn't pull the trigger for some reason (true story). The rest sadly - we know about.

 

[A1X]

Apparently, during WW1 trenches, Hitler met a soldier in no man's land in combat and that
soldier who had the upper hand didn't pull the trigger for some reason (true story). The rest sadly - we know about.

Can’t remember the guy’s name but he lived in Coventry. Got bombed out during the blitz there in November 1940.

 

[Bodian]

'Must go further'? Trump's already promised pretty much everything to Putin anyway. What is 'further'? The whole of Ukraine?

 

[SouthSaxon]

'Must go further'? Trump's already promised pretty much everything to Putin anyway. What is 'further'? The whole of Ukraine?

Sanctions. It’ll be the lifting of sanctions.

 

[Triggaaar]

It's beyond a joke.

I'd like the UK and EU to meet up and agree to increase spending on Ukraine immediately. I'd happily take a rise in income tax, but our government won't be able to do that.

 

[Triggaaar]

Not sure if this has been posted (I've been out) - interesting comments from our own bungle****:

 

[Bold Seagull]

Not sure if this has been posted (I've been out) - interesting comments from our own bungle****:

I see, they’re meant to shock us into action. From a narcissist serial liar telling us what lies from others mean what. Another absolute twonk that had his own cult of idiot followers.

 

[astralavi]

Amongst other things Trump reacted to Zelensky refusing his extortionate deal for Ukraine's Minerals

 

[Eric the meek]

If you fancy a brief change of subject, life goes on in Russia, and the previously untouchable Kadyrov has taken his family to Dubai.

Watch Konstantin Samoilov from 42:00 onwards.

 

[A1X]

Not sure if this has been posted (I've been out) - interesting comments from our own bungle****:

“Well he says these things, but he doesn’t really mean them that way” is the classic line used by sycophants and appeasers everywhere.

Johnson is so blinded by his admiration for Trump that he’s throwing the one truly laudable legacy of his time in office (his unwavering and steadfast support for Ukraine and Zelensky, which rightly shapes the UK position to this day three PMs later) under the bus. He’s not the only right winger in the UK so desperate to line up with Donald Trump that he’s throwing any shreds of credibility he had left in the dustbin of history, but he’s perhaps the most shameless.

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

Has anyone else considered looking at the MOD Reserves for all areas of the forces?

I have. Trying hard not to cause myself stress and anxiety, but it's made me feel very passionately about it all....maybe I'm massively overreacting, but it's bought out very strong feelings in myself.

 

[SouthSaxon]

I mean, I’m so unfit I struggle to get up the steps to the West Upper without keeling over. I wouldn’t last 5 minutes on the steppes.

I am handy with a spreadsheet though

 

[NorthstandRacoon]

I mean, I’m so unfit I struggle to get up the steps to the West Upper without keeling over. I wouldn’t last 5 minutes on the steppes.

I am handy with a spreadsheet though

Then there is something for you.

 

[cunning fergus]

1. I know that if everyone ignores climate change and a move away from fossil fuels doesn't happen fast it won't matter who controls Ukraine as we'll all be f*cked anyway.

2. You talk about cuts as the only way to meet our financial obligations. I'd argue under 14 years of austerity / lack of investment everything's been cut to the bone. It is a fact our GDP has declined, trade is down with the EU and everyone agrees bar an intransigent minority - that Brexit is responsible for a 4-5% drop in GDP, year on year.

3. You'll note I'm not calling to rejoin the EU at this juncture - that would take too long. I'm merely calling for a Customs Union, which would be quicker to implement (given the need for Europe to harmonise stuff now in the wake of Trump's defection). What I do know if that there is a list of 9 candidate countries waiting to join the EU (including former Soviet state Georgia) with all of the rest bar Turkiye former communist countries. Ask them which is working better for them - the EU or Russia.

4. Starmer has looked statesmanlike and is doing a good job of representing British values thus far. It chills me to the bone to consider what Trump-loving Farage would be saying right now if PM - he'd probably do whatever Trump wanted and for whatever crumbs of the mineral / rebuild deal blew off the table. And don't get me started on Badenoch.

1. Work out what you’re worried about the most, because rearming is going to need a level of re industrialisation and turning the economy around is going to need cheap energy. You can’t do it on net zero. FACT.

2. You’re looking in the rear view mirror, none of it matters. We have 3 broad choices, a) step back from top tier international politics and manage the economy as a second tier Swiss style nation, b) throw our lot in with Europe, join the EU euro etc. or c) align with US. You want b).

3. Ask yourself honestly why Brexit happened. Yes it’s complex however there is a significant cohort of British people that want full fat sovereignty and not hooking into an organisation that (for example) wants to expand into areas that are not Europe.

In the same way the U.K. needs to reset its vision on what it wants to be going forward so does the EU. What it was doesn’t matter now, Trump is going to confront the EU on its protectionism and with Germany getting a new Government that will be favourable to Russia, it will need to change or die.

4. Time will tell, it’s clear that Germany and other Eastern European countries don’t want troops in Russia, Macron supports it but has little power in France domestically and we are military minnow. Starmer currently is in danger of looking like the Wealdstone raider on the international stage.

 

[cunning fergus]

What I find worrying is that Trump's advisors do not appear to be educating their man on anything about the war - past, present or future.

The 4% Zelenskiy approval rating comment was parroted straight from Russia, as was Ukraine being responsible for starting the war. It is well known that the actual approval rating is around 57%.

In addition, his comments about Ukraine having to give up some land because 'a lot of Russians have fought and died for that land' is also straight from Moscow. He doesn't appear to have considered the loss of life on the Ukrainian side and - like Gaza - he doesn't appear to understand this is people's birthplace and homeland that they are existentially attached to. He regards it like it's moving house.

Trump's latest post on X laying into Zelenskyy is a new low, even for him.

This week has been the most seismic shift in global politics since 9/11. Starmer recent comments about this being a generational moment is spot on, and next week's meeting with Trump in Washington could make or break NATO.

No one is walking away from NATO apart from the US and if that happens NATO ceases to exist. If NATO ceases to exist the Europeans will have driven away the only country that would protect them from an aggressive Russia. The likes of Starmer need to wake up and smell the cawfeee.

Shitting the bed about Trump prioritising US taxpayers money over EU nations protection is not a sirsmic shift. He warned European leaders in his first term and they’ve done nothing since, with the exception of the Poles.

Trump may lack political finesse but his intentions have been in plain sight for years.

 

[pasty]

I would love to be a journalist at one of his press conferences when he makes some of these clearly untrue statements.

Q. Mr President. You have stated Ukraine started the war. You have called Zelensky a dictator. Mr President, are you an idiot?