[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Deportivo Seagull]

Sounds like The Donald is buying into the Russki vision where they get to have Europe, China can have Asia and USA can take over The Americas all the way from North to South.

Either that or Pootin does have that video of The Donald which has been rumoured for so long.

Fuk em all I say. Especially The Cowardly Orange.

Trouble with that is the American dead that it would generate. It’s all well a good spouting bollocks but to actually do it is another matter entirely.
Russia simply isn’t in a position to take Ukraine let alone anyone else. For instance I would take Poland over Russia any day of the week

 

[Scappa]

I asked an American this question a few years ago and they said it was about freedom. They couldn’t quantify it though and I was a communist lucky not to be talking German for even questioning it.

...with liberty and justice for all*

*Must be 18, void where prohibited. Conditions apply, not available in all States




(Dragging thus thread further off topic, but it does seem to be an extension of the main Drumpf thread atm)

 

[Pavilionaire]

I still think there is a chance Trump is playing some kind of game (arguably very irresponsibley) and it6 will turn out ok, don't hold out much hope for that though.

Seriously, how much more do you need to see and hear? Trump is about winning, strength and making money.

He doesn't see a warzone, with destruction, the dead, the dying and the displaced. All he sees is a LAND DEAL to be had, be it The Gazan Riviera, Canada being the 51st state, renaming The Gulf of Mexico, the rare earth mineral mines of Ukraine, the Panama Canal or the untapped resources of Greenland.

Don't be surprised if he and Israel do Gaza 2.0 in the West Bank and he gets to create a Christian Disneyland out of Bethlehem, hell he'd probably install a zipwire from the Mount of Olives to Jericho if he could.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Russia simply isn’t in a position to take Ukraine let alone anyone else.

I think people still see Russia as the monster under the bed, the great Cold War bear* which smashed Hitler and, before him, sent Napoleon packing.

The reality is that their execution of this war started as high farce, got a bit more organised but has made very slow progress at a huge cost.

Their forces are not indestructible and are subject to the same challenges of war as any other - logistics, supply lines, morale, economics etc etc.

* A lot of which was propaganda, not reality

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I think people still see Russia as the monster under the bed, the great Cold War bear* which smashed Hitler and, before him, sent Napoleon packing.

The reality is that their execution of this war started as high farce, got a bit more organised but has made very slow progress at a huge cost.

Their forces are not indestructible and are subject to the same challenges of war as any other - logistics, supply lines, morale, economics etc etc.

* A lot of which was propaganda, not reality

In summary

Russian Military … it’s a bit shit.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Seriously, how much more do you need to see and hear? Trump is about winning, strength and making money.

He doesn't see a warzone, with destruction, the dead, the dying and the displaced. All he sees is a LAND DEAL to be had, be it The Gazan Riviera, Canada being the 51st state, renaming The Gulf of Mexico, the rare earth mineral mines of Ukraine, the Panama Canal or the untapped resources of Greenland.

Don't be surprised if he and Israel do Gaza 2.0 in the West Bank and he gets to create a Christian Disneyland out of Bethlehem, hell he'd probably install a zipwire from the Mount of Olives to Jericho if he could.

For any of that to work he would need to put boots on the ground and I can’t see that happening.

 

[GT49er]

Seriously, how much more do you need to see and hear? Trump is about winning, strength and making money.

He doesn't see a warzone, with destruction, the dead, the dying and the displaced. All he sees is a LAND DEAL to be had, be it The Gazan Riviera, Canada being the 51st state, renaming The Gulf of Mexico, the rare earth mineral mines of Ukraine, the Panama Canal or the untapped resources of Greenland.

Don't be surprised if he and Israel do Gaza 2.0 in the West Bank and he gets to create a Christian Disneyland out of Bethlehem, hell he'd probably install a zipwire from the Mount of Olives to Jericho if he could.

Also he appears to think that 'ending the war' means forcing Ukraine to surrender by joining in and supporting Putin's campaign of fake news and disinformation.

MSN

What a(n excise for a) man!.

 

[The Clamp]

Personally, I see this backfiring on Trump, making Europe stronger and the U.S. a laughing stock on the global stage.

This calamitous level of stupidity isn’t sustainable.

I think it’ll be the undoing of Trump.

 

[essbee1]

I hang around and work in C. London quite a bit. How should my response be to any people
from the USA be? My inclination is to challenge them.

 

[Scappa]

I think people still see Russia as the monster under the bed, the great Cold War bear* which smashed Hitler and, before him, sent Napoleon packing.

The reality is that their execution of this war started as high farce, got a bit more organised but has made very slow progress at a huge cost.

Their forces are not indestructible and are subject to the same challenges of war as any other - logistics, supply lines, morale, economics etc etc.

* A lot of which was propaganda, not reality

Mother Russia is a tired old whore

 

[Anger]

Trouble with that is the American dead that it would generate. It’s all well a good spouting bollocks but to actually do it is another matter entirely.
Russia simply isn’t in a position to take Ukraine let alone anyone else. For instance I would take Poland over Russia any day of the week

I agree that it’s nonsense. That vision originated in Russia, so as a birth of ideology that makes it a runt of an idea to start with.

However as we know The Donald is a Grade A narcissist who could believe that he could make a fantasy like that happen. We know he’s a crap talker but calling a genuine hero like Zelensky a dictator is shameful language and very dangerous.

I have been donating money to support Ukraine every month since the start of the war because I believe that we have to stand with them to help them defend their country and people.

I don’t buy petrol from Shell because of their Russian ties which fuel Pootin’s war.

And now I don’t want to put money into America because the leadership has lost its moral compass. I would have been travelling to America later this year, but I won’t now. Them firing the FAA employees recently also influenced my decision. Who wants to land in America right now?

Words as well as actions have consequences.

 

[Home and Away]

This is such a good observation. Imagine Hitler bombing UK and US president calling Hitler to "make a deal" without even consulting Churchill. And then calling WC a dictator and demanding resources to help negotiate the peace! Un-f*cking-believeable!

 

[raymondo]

US arms industry wouldn’t allow it. Can you image Putin with western quality arms? There are a raft of laws that would stop this.

I hope you're right .

 

[GT49er]

Mother Russia is a tired old whore

But still capable of infecting the world with syphilis. The USA (well, Trump at least) well and truly infected already.

 

[raymondo]

Too scared of him.

Yep, I seriously think that believe they or their loved ones would meet some fate down a dark alley...and they could be right.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Seriously, how much more do you need to see and hear? Trump is about winning, strength and making money.

He doesn't see a warzone, with destruction, the dead, the dying and the displaced. All he sees is a LAND DEAL to be had, be it The Gazan Riviera, Canada being the 51st state, renaming The Gulf of Mexico, the rare earth mineral mines of Ukraine, the Panama Canal or the untapped resources of Greenland.

Don't be surprised if he and Israel do Gaza 2.0 in the West Bank and he gets to create a Christian Disneyland out of Bethlehem, hell he'd probably install a zipwire from the Mount of Olives to Jericho if he could.

He’s an idiot. It seems hard to believe an idiot can get this far, but then he has a cult of idiots. Many of them think the Earth is flat, we’ve never been to the moon (which doesn’t exist), gravity is fake, everything is a conspiracy, plane contrails, vaccines, education, facts. It’s a living breathing mega movement of complete but ultimately dangerous idiots.

It’s why the ultimate goal is to devalue truth because truth only gets in the way of idiotic remarks.

 

[raymondo]

I hang around and work in C. London quite a bit. How should my response be to any people
from the USA be? My inclination is to challenge them.

I would just see if they say anything. If they are in London it's less likely they voted for him IMO.

 

[raymondo]

I shall be selling many US shares and buying shares in Rheinmetall

 

[Nobby]

That bullet just needed to be a cm to the right.

 

[Nobby]

From my Friend in Ukraine
Originally from the Donbas

I feel the same way as you. It has become clear that the United States will not be arbiters of retribution in any case, but rather ‘peacemakers’ and will sell ‘victory’ to the highest bidder. Trump is selling simple truth and justice like a pork party. There is less and less hope, but there is always hope.