Question to the "we were awful all of last season and fluked all 69 points" brigade

[trueblue]

Please find me one example of someone saying that. Thanks.


They say the league table doesn't lie. Obviously we know better.

Maybe you should compare league tables at the end of the season? The only time it actually matters.

 

[Silent Bob]

Maybe you should compare league tables at the end of the season? The only time it actually matters.

Compare what? I'm not making any comparisons. I'm saying last season we were not a bad side, and where we finished was not a false position.

 

[blockhseagull]

Please find me one example of someone saying that. Thanks.


They say the league table doesn't lie. Obviously we know better.

If you find me one that says we were shit ALL of last season

 

[Simster]

Maybe we shouldn't be blaming Mr Adams for such a wank opening to his second spell here. Afterall, every manager likes to build his own team. However, what is frustrating from my point of view (and I suspect I speak for Chesney and HKFC) are the following points:
1) why the f*** did the board sack Wilkins just as he was CLEARLY building a decent side? No explaination was forthcoming so we're all supposed to just lump their decision that they couldn't work with him.
2) Given that they couldn't work with Wilkins, why appoint Adams again? He previously walked out in a manner which left a bitter taste in the mouths of some of us
3) Given that we've asked to back Adams again, must we also back his baffling Virgo decisions, his agriculturally shit football and the many games we've already been embarrassed?

The bottom line is that Chesney is asking why we're putting up with more shit performances than we did last season. It's a step BACKWARDS.

 

[Simon Morgan]

Maybe we shouldn't be blaming Mr Adams for such a wank opening to his second spell here. Afterall, every manager likes to build his own team. However, what is frustrating from my point of view (and I suspect I speak for Chesney and HKFC) are the following points:
1) why the f*** did the board sack Wilkins just as he was CLEARLY building a decent side? No explaination was forthcoming so we're all supposed to just lump their decision that they couldn't work with him.
2) Given that they couldn't work with Wilkins, why appoint Adams again? He previously walked out in a manner which left a bitter taste in the mouths of some of us
3) Given that we've asked to back Adams again, must we also back his baffling Virgo decisions, his agriculturally shit football and the many games we've already been embarrassed?

The bottom line is that Chesney is asking why we're putting up with more shit performances than we did last season. It's a step BACKWARDS.

1) I don't think anyone really knows. There has been suggestions of poor health, Wilkins not taking training sessions towards the end of his tenure. That's no way to manage a football team. If it was for footballing reasons, then I feel sorry for him.

2) It's a very good question and the appointment does seem very sentimental, but I think people understand why he left all those years ago. However, his CV is more than sufficient for a lg 1 club IMO.

3) Of course fans always question manager's decisions, that's football. I also think playing Virgo in midfield and other decisions are baffling to say the least, but he isn't stupid. He is doing it for a reason. He's trying to improve the team. Now what is clear to me is that he doesn't know his best team yet, that is the problem.

The reason we put up with worse than last season is because we are Brighton fans. There is never going to be a constant stream of progress during the dismissal of an old manager and the installation of a new one, especially with so many new players. It is clear that Adams needs to sort out his best team and stick with it, and once he does it, I think we have the players to make an impact in this league.

 

[Chesney Christ]

Think the whole arguement started in that many have claimed that Wilkins was a great manager and we played quality football under him.

That simply isn't true and although we are SLIGHTLY behind where we were at this time last season the standard of football hasn't really got worse.

Not at all. Wilkins was a decent manager, no God, but decent enough. We didn't play loads of quality football last year, but is was a million miles better than this season.

 

[Mendoza]

last season, we were never truly shit, and we were never truly brilliant. We were kind of consistent with OK football that got us results, lost us results, but we were never at extremes of being so good or so bad.

This season we have been unbelievably bad, and sometimes quite brilliant, we have never been consistent. At this stage we have won 3 less games than we did last season, so we havent improved - but there is of course time to change it

At the start of the season we couldnt win for love nor money at home, but picked up points away, we seemed to have reversed that now, and showing some form at home, but not getting results away.

 

[saltash seagull]

the list to chose from is.....

Crewe 1 - 2 Brighton - opening day
Cardiff 1 - 0 Brighton - Carling Cup
Tranmere 2 - 0 Brighton
Gillingham 1 - 0 Brighton
Brighton 1 - 2 Yeovil
Swansea 0 - 0 Brighton
Brighton 0 - 0 Bristol Rovers
Brighton 1 - 1 Walsall
Brighton 0 - 1 Leeds
Cheltenham 1 - 1 Brighton - FA Cup

This time last year we had 7 wins, 3 draws, 5 defeats = 24 points

crewe - we played quite well on the opening day and were unlucky to come a way with nothing
swansea hit the woodwork twice and forster missed a sitter in an entertaining draw away to the champions
bristol rovers,walsall and leeds - were all games where we had so many chances but couldnt put the ball away,forster was injured for at least 2 of these and both leeds and walsall hit us with late goals

these performances dont compare with orient,scunny,carlisle,hereford,walsall ect this season

 

[Mendoza]

crewe - we played quite well on the opening day and were unlucky to come a way with nothing
swansea hit the woodwork twice and forster missed a sitter in an entertaining draw away to the champions
bristol rovers,walsall and leeds - were all games where we had so many chances but couldnt put the ball away,forster was injured for at least 2 of these and both leeds and walsall hit us with late goals

these performances dont compare with orient,scunny,carlisle,hereford,walsall etc this season

exactly, I agree with all of that, this year is worse, the worst one of last season was probably losing at home to Yeovil, but it still didnt compare with the dross served up this season.

But it wont stop us going to games, supporting the team.

 

[blockhseagull]

Not at all. Wilkins was a decent manager, no God, but decent enough. We didn't play loads of quality football last year, but is was a million miles better than this season.

Dunno, i admit when we have been bad this season.. we have been shocking.

However when we have played well it has been very very good and i honestly can't remember saying that at all last season apart from Millwall at home.

 

[goldstone]

Now. I wonder about Mickeys tactics, but I do have faith in him, and increasingly more so.

I WANT to have faith in Mickey, BUT:

- how come it took him so long to realise that Hawkins was on a run of bad form and needed to be dropped? ... all the fans could see it

- how come he insisted on playing Virgo in midfield when it is obviously not his best position? ... again, all the fans knew it

- why did he let our best central defender get in a strop? ... a good man manager would have kept him happy. Think back to our criticism of Wilkins last year for similar situations

- why did he reverse the decision to let Mayo and OGH go? I think he's been proved wrong on that one

As an apparently experienced manager (much more so than his predecessor, which is after all why he's here) he shouldn't be making so many obviously poor decisions ... well obvious to the fans ... and let me suggest the fans are probably right on most of them.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

last season, we were never truly shit, and we were never truly brilliant. We were kind of consistent with OK football that got us results, lost us results, but we were never at extremes of being so good or so bad.

The FA Cup against Mansfield has rightly been wiped from your memory then ?

 

[Chesney Christ]

Maybe we shouldn't be blaming Mr Adams for such a wank opening to his second spell here. Afterall, every manager likes to build his own team. However, what is frustrating from my point of view (and I suspect I speak for Chesney and HKFC) are the following points:
1) why the f*** did the board sack Wilkins just as he was CLEARLY building a decent side? No explaination was forthcoming so we're all supposed to just lump their decision that they couldn't work with him.
2) Given that they couldn't work with Wilkins, why appoint Adams again? He previously walked out in a manner which left a bitter taste in the mouths of some of us
3) Given that we've asked to back Adams again, must we also back his baffling Virgo decisions, his agriculturally shit football and the many games we've already been embarrassed?

The bottom line is that Chesney is asking why we're putting up with more shit performances than we did last season. It's a step BACKWARDS.

Indeed. If Wilkins was sacked for non-footballing reasons, then why was he offered a place on the coaching staff? If there was a personal issue with him surely it would have affected his role as a coach. The whole thing stank at the time, and it stinks even more now after our diabolical start to this season.

 

[Gritt23]

It's a step BACKWARDS.

That's the key problem here. I felt we were building very nicely under Wilkins. He inherited a squad that was a real mess, and of course it took a while to sort out, but sort it out he did. For the first time in too long I went into the summer thinking "Yep, the backbone of a side is there, we just need a bit of a clear-out of squad members, a bit of tinkering and ......" then we suddenly shit of Wilkins, and bring in Adams, as the man to take us on to the next level.

Well, I said at the time that there was a huge amount of pressure on Adams to outperform 7th, to show that this unexpected switch was both necessary and correct. With only 6 places to chase that are better (3-6th were spots I was expecting of a Wilkins team this season) the opportunity was limited to prove this to be the right switch. Adams didn't inherit the job he did last time, and nor did he inherit the shambles that Wilkins was faced with. He was taking on a side that was 1 place from the play-offs, so I also think it's reasonable for us to expect this not to require a year to sort out, nor the need to take a step backwards to move forwards.

We were progressing nicely under Wilkins, and we shat on him from a great height. That still doesn't sit very well with me, and nor do I like looking over my shoulder at how far clear (or not) we are of the relegation spots.

 

[glasfryn]

What about the previous season? That was pretty f***ing shit, especially at home, but by sticking with Wilkins, the following season showed we did the right thing. Who's to say the same can't happen with Adams? This season has been poor, there is no doubt about that, but as people rightly say we do have a talented squad, which is something. Did the start of last season's results surpass Man C? Leicester? Millwall? even Southend away? Debatable.

The whole 'we were shit and fluked 69 points' bullshit you are attaching to members of the board is ridiculous. No one thinks that. I think our strong finish to the season taints people's views on what they saw earlier on. We played pretty badly against Northampton and Southend at home, but grinded out the results. That is our problem at the moment. Towards the end of last season, the football did improve, but earlier on I don't think we played too much great stuff. So if it's performances you're alluding to, then don't be too pleased with yourself, because some of them weren't great. We had a greater ability to grind out results whilst playing badly last year. I certainly walked away from Withdean with that feeling a few times.

Of course I am not trying to suggest that we are better at this stage than we were last season, because the stats and common sense show we are doing worse. The performances have been very disappointing at times. However, there is still a long way to go, and posts attempting to provocate even more unrest under supporters is not helpful in the slightest. I find it interesting that people suggest any other manager would get sacked, Adams is only still here because of the past. I'd actually turn this round and say if it wasn't Adams at the helm, then the supporters would be far more tolerant of our slow start. The hysteria of what he did to the club before is very hard to shake off and I think people are expecting too much of him. Every new manager wants his own team and ours is better than last season IMO. Adams just needs to sort out what he does with it.

yep spot on.
last season is history,Dean Wilkins is NOT coming back,Mickey Adams is now our manager and will be for the foreseeable future and whether you like that or not its the truth of the matter.

Give the man a chance

 

[Elder for England]

Not at all. Wilkins was a decent manager, no God, but decent enough. We didn't play loads of quality football last year, but is was a million miles better than this season.

Once again someone comparing the WHOLE of last season to 3 MONTHS of this one - we have not finished the season.

 

[Elder for England]

Name me 6 performances from last season - BY THIS STAGE OF THE SEASON - that were as bad as the following from this season:

Scunthorpe at home (1-4)
Walsall at home (9 men opposition, 0-1)
Carlisle yesterday
Hereford at home (0-0 against bottom of league)
Leeds away (1-3)
Leyton Orient at home (0-0 at home against DIRE opposition)

Given that we were awful every week, and fluked every win when we should have been thrashed, this should be an absolute doddle for you.

Good luck

Why does it matter when the games are matched up, beginning, middle or end we still had crap games under Wilkins (throughout the season).

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

So we are 5 points worse off than we were last year. Mmm, massive isn't it?

We're a third of the way through the season. IF we drop points at the same rate for the rest of the season we'll finish 15 points worse off than last season. Which is massive. It certainly doesn't indicate that we're about to take the 'next step'.

 

[BensGrandad]

I WANT to have faith in Mickey, BUT:
- why did he let our best central defender get in a strop? ... a good man manager would have kept him happy. Think back to our criticism of Wilkins last year for similar situations

- why did he reverse the decision to let Mayo and OGH go? I think he's been proved wrong on that one

.

2 simple answers;

He hasnt pissed off our best central defender he is still here Elphick. Lynch has great potential but he is not the complete answer yet and not as near to being as Elphick is, He makes too many mistakes by thinking that he is a world beater and can do better than he can. Some call it confidence some arrogance!!!!

He signed Hart and Mayo as back up squad players that he knew could do the job if called upon, as indeed they did last season when called upon by Wilkins. They were resigned on a lower wage which made great business sense.

 

[trueblue]

2 simple answers;

He hasnt pissed off our best central defender he is still here Elphick. Lynch has great potential but he is not the complete answer yet and not as near to being as Elphick is, He makes too many mistakes by thinking that he is a world beater and can do better than he can. Some call it confidence some arrogance!!!!

He signed Hart and Mayo as back up squad players that he knew could do the job if called upon, as indeed they did last season when called upon by Wilkins. They were resigned on a lower wage which made great business sense.

All good points.