Protests in London

[Dick Head]

I thought for a second you were posting images of the EDL defacing war memorials, blah, blah, blah…

That would NEVER happen!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...e-rigby-graffiti-to-be-sentenced-8921720.html

 

[cunning fergus]

You just dont know these days

some bloke in the Railway Bell accused me of being a leftie after the Watford game.......takes all sorts.

Was he dressed like a harlequin?

He's a right knawse...........

 

[pasty]

By the way, i must stress that the IDS twitter was a spoof one..........obviously some might really think that he actually tweeted it.....

I didn't for one minute think it was his real account, but still thought it was funny hence the

 

[cunning fergus]

Neo socialist? Oh yes because you can tell that about me form one post, as I said to Westdene seagull I worded my post wrong, I wasn't only talking about myself I meant the majority of my age group won't be able to get their own house. Now if you want to have a sensible discussion about it then that is fine but don't start throwing statements such as "Neo socialist" about when you know nothing about me

OK, let's not get off on the wrong foot, however, on the one hand I can tell your not a tory and with your sense of generational entitlement to owning property I can tell you are not an old school socialist, as owning property is tantamount to supporting capitalism.

That said, with your evident support for state institutions like the NHS, which does have socialist merit, you do appear to be a new type of socialist........so nothing to be offended by surely?

As an old socialist type, I feel sorry for you young'uns but then some of this can be laid at the door of the previous Labour administration, who were new socialists. Take the housing shortage, in the last 20 years literally millions of people have arrived and they are not all sleeping under a viaduct here or a railway bridge there.

I know the vast majority of these millions are brain surgeons and nuclear physists so no doubt they have not had much impact on social housing, however that is now your reality.

The tories did have a limited solution to the problem by allowing those people with pensions to access their money earlier, which in all likelihood would mean grandparents and the like handing money down to family to buy property. All OK if you have family with that money, and generosity.

My challenge to you as a labour supporter is, why should you and your generation need to own your own property........trust the state.

Good luck comrade.

 

[Seagull58]

Most look like students.......i bet they have more chance of getting a job now than in 2009.

Flat-chested students

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Seems to me that among the dumbest things an anti-Tory protester could do to try and win support for their viewpoint would be to a) deface a War Memorial - and a Women's War Memorial at that! and b) hold up a protest sign written on the back of a bit of Sony Bravia packing. A conspiracy theorist might suspect the Tories of orchestrating those particular images Two simple tap-in images and you've got the opposition mightily on the back foot.

 

[sir albion]

Considering that was the brunt of the global economic recession, you are obviously right.

However if you compare to their prospects to pre-recession 10 years ago, things are still considerably bleaker - lower relative wages, fewer jobs/higher unemployment, zero hour contracts, higher rent/property prices - and to top it all off, a massively increased student debt.

The Conservative government will explicitly avoid addressing any of these key issues. The students are the first on the streets, but when their £12bn welfare cuts come in, then it won't just be students protesting. There will be many other reasons for all kinds of regular people to protest against this government in the coming years.

Yes and many of those issues are down to huge immigration right?
You'll say NO though

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

One moron vanidlises a war memorial in an anti-Tory march and people are morally outraged. When Tory welfare reforms drive people to commit suicide no one bats an eyelid.

 

[The Spanish]

It does sound like the kind of thing a tabloid journalist would do. Peaceful protests are non-stories, whereas vandalising a war memorial is front page material.

mustafa your constant smashing of the opaque windows of our media and giving us a pin sharp glimpse of the real world every now and then is a gift to us all.

 

[theyellowdinosaur]

Again a sweeping statement, the majority of my age group won't be able to get their own house.

Try being sensible, look beyond your nose. Apart from London and the south-east (allowing for certain areas around the country) house prices are relative to the local economy ie wages. The inflated prices down here make for those blinkered assumptions you've made.

I understand that house prices up north are much lower, that's why I said the majority of people my age that I know face this issue. My point is that why should people have to move up north and leave there family and friends behind if they want their own home. I know you're not saying they should but that is the reality

 

[cunning fergus]

One moron vanidlises a war memorial in an anti-Tory march and people are morally outraged. When Tory welfare reforms drive people to commit suicide no one bats an eyelid.

I suspect no more than the hundreds of thousand killed during and in the aftermath of an illegal war in Iraq, the thousands of mass rapes of British children in places like Rotherham, and the hundreds killed in NHS scandals like in Staffordshire and under the Liverpool Pathway scheme.

Deaths and misery all delivered to the British electorate by Labour lead administrations.

Plus ca change.........

 

[London Irish]

One moron vanidlises a war memorial in an anti-Tory march and people are morally outraged. When Tory welfare reforms drive people to commit suicide no one bats an eyelid.

Is the correct answer - a sick society though needs the big lies

 

[Ernest]

What BETTER way to STIR up a PEACFUL demo is for RIGHT wing INFILTRATORS to attack the police and DEFACE a war memorial, just a TASTE of things to come under Cameron's DICTATORSHIP

 

[The Spanish]

I understand that house prices up north are much lower, that's why I said the majority of people my age that I know face this issue. My point is that why should people have to move up north and leave there family and friends behind if they want their own home. I know you're not saying they should but that is the reality

you are still not getting it. mass home ownership is a very new phenomenon, and certainly not a right, especially in a location of your preference. you cannot certainly not seriously consider yourself a socialist if you subscribe to this belief. housing is a right yes, home ownership in the south of England because thats where your mum is, hmm not so much.

 

[theyellowdinosaur]

OK, let's not get off on the wrong foot, however, on the one hand I can tell your not a tory and with your sense of generational entitlement to owning property I can tell you are not an old school socialist, as owning property is tantamount to supporting capitalism.

That said, with your evident support for state institutions like the NHS, which does have socialist merit, you do appear to be a new type of socialist........so nothing to be offended by surely?

As an old socialist type, I feel sorry for you young'uns but then some of this can be laid at the door of the previous Labour administration, who were new socialists. Take the housing shortage, in the last 20 years literally millions of people have arrived and they are not all sleeping under a viaduct here or a railway bridge there.

I know the vast majority of these millions are brain surgeons and nuclear physists so no doubt they have not had much impact on social housing, however that is now your reality.

The tories did have a limited solution to the problem by allowing those people with pensions to access their money earlier, which in all likelihood would mean grandparents and the like handing money down to family to buy property. All OK if you have family with that money, and generosity.

My challenge to you as a labour supporter is, why should you and your generation need to own your own property........trust the state.

Good luck comrade.

That is fair enough and you make some valid points. And for what it's worth I think that the last labour government were worse than this conservative one. However it's hard not to feel aggrieved that people like myself aren't allowed to vote even though as a 17 year old it will have a massive impact on our lives and futures. I think that they should have lowered the voting age to at least 17 or even 16

 

[gripper stebson]

NSC seems to have a serious problem with generalising. "The left" is a broad spectrum.

While "the left" can include idealistic students, anarchist squatters and the rogue kind of scum bag that advocates violence or vandalises war memorials - greater in number are the academics or regular people who simply believe in a fairer society, where the most vulnerable are looked after and public services are kept as vital components of the wellbeing of all people.

Generalising and tarring "the left" with the same brush is as useful as claiming "the right" are all greedy, heartless or chauvinist. If society is to progress it is important that we have intelligent discussions about the disagreements between the left and right, rather than mindlessly picking teams and refusing to listen to the other side.

Of course this protest today does not represent the typical "leftie" - you can see from the pictures that it largely consists of students who presumably formed a flash mob through social media - however we should not let the actions of one or two idiots detract from the serious issues that affect us all. If you consider life from an U25's point of view, with astronomical tuition fees and no realistic chance of ever owning their own home, coupled with the thought of a privatised NHS, it is unsurprising that they are the first to hit the streets.

Similar, in a way, to making generic statements about 'The West'

(wink!)

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I suspect no more than the hundreds of thousand killed during and in the aftermath of an illegal war in Iraq, the thousands of mass rapes of British children in places like Rotherham, and the hundreds killed in NHS scandals like in Staffordshire and under the Liverpool Pathway scheme.

Deaths and misery all delivered to the British electorate by Labour lead administrations.

Plus ca change.........

Is pointing the finger at Labour really the only way you can respond? Ok, so Labour f*cked up and that somehow makes cruel welfare reforms less on an issue because...?

 

[melias shoes]

What BETTER way to STIR up a PEACFUL demo is for RIGHT wing INFILTRATORS to attack the police and DEFACE a war memorial, just a TASTE of things to come under Cameron's DICTATORSHIP

Afternoon Ernest. On brilliant form I see.

 

[studio150]

One moron vanidlises a war memorial in an anti-Tory march and people are morally outraged. When Tory welfare reforms drive people to commit suicide no one bats an eyelid.

Proof?

 

[London Irish]

Der really..........must be why i lifted it off a page that was not serious.........jeez.

Come on, your type think the Brighton pavilion is a mosque. I have to double-check this stuff

The IDS spoof account is run by lefties. It's broadly making fun of how of touch this one right-wing politician is, but in particular in this instance poking fun at kneejerkery right-wing reactions to protesters. You get that, right?

This kind of reminds me of when Simpsons creator Matt Groening spoofed dumb American reactions to Europeans with the "cheese eating surrender monkeys" line. And then every American right-winger gleefully took up the line