Protests in London

[Westdene Seagull]

Not to worry. Anyway you were adamant that you would emigrate if the Tories got back in. Anywhere in mind.

He's back tracked on that promise a little !

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Perhaps this is the problem. Many people don't feel represented by anyone. If anyone on the left thinks that labour are going to make anything better then they are sadly deluded (lesser of two evils is about as far as it goes). This causes massive frustration as people see the next 5 years stretching out in front of them. I disagree that this should be seen as a left v right thing, this is about people feeling like they are not represented (aside from the crowing tory supporters who for some strange reason seem to believe that the Bullingdon Boys give a toss about them or represent their interests).

You disagree that this should be seen as a left v right thing and then make the distinction about Tory supporters.

These youngsters are just the same as the last ones and ones before that. They get themselves in a frenzy, backed by the Socialist Worker and alike, go on a protest, many of which I very much doubt truly know or understand why, but it feels good, then go home to mummy and daddy, eventually grow up, get a job, a girlfriend/boyfriend, have kids, marry, divorce, retire and die. Meanwhile they become aware of the world, start voting Tory/Labour/UKIP, and watch youngsters on TV marching believing their the first to have done it.

 

[Nibble]

Get a bar of soap!

Not to worry. Anyway you were adamant that you would emigrate if the Tories got back in. Anywhere in mind.

Yeah but can't leave til November, few things to square away here first but I'm travelling for first year, Europe, North Africa, Asia and antipodes, over to South America then North America and spending next summer training in LA. See what happens after that. Like to get off sooner but not always as easy as one would like.

 

[BLOCK F]

Perfectly grown up thanks. The Tories have disrespected the legacy of those who fought for freedom far more than any protesters.

Dreadful shite, Nibble.

 

[BadFish]

You disagree that this should be seen as a left v right thing and then make the distinction about Tory supporters.

These youngsters are just the same as the last ones and ones before that. They get themselves in a frenzy, backed by the Socialist Worker and alike, go on a protest, many of which I very much doubt truly know or understand why, but it feels good, then go home to mummy and daddy, eventually grow up, get a job, a girlfriend/boyfriend, have kids, marry, divorce, retire and die. Meanwhile they become aware of the world, start voting Tory/Labour/UKIP, and watch youngsters on TV marching believing their the first to have done it.

Very simplistic view of what goes on at protests. I am guessing you don't spend much time at them.

 

[Mr Bridger]

Uhm, I have stated 3 times now that I think vandalising war memorials is completely out of order. So I can only conclude you are either thick or trying to start a row where there is none.
This board really has a very nasty unchecked element to it these days.

and you top the lot, take a good look at yourself you self righteous prick

 

[bWize]

Every time there is a legitimate protest in Central London, it receives zero press attention but for the reporting of the obligatory daubing of graffiti on monuments of reverence.

It plays so much into the establishment's hands that it's a wonder they don't have undercover officers with spraypaint infiltrating these marches.

I thought exactly the same thing. Certainly not beyond the realms of possibility in these odd times... Seems very convienient.

 

[Bodian]

Find a job up north, believe me there's plenty going around, and you can buy a nice starter home for less than one cost me in 1988 in the south.

University is another issue, you are aware that you don't pay upfront and then only pay once you earn over a certain amount. If you wanted to have a proper debate about university you could have asked why you now have to go off to uni to study what was always a polytechnic course. Labour changed this, turning perfectly good polys into uni's for no other reason than to increase attendance of uni's. So many courses are not worthy of being degree status. To pay for these changes Labour introduced fees.

Finally if you believe for one minute the people will put up with the NHS being turned private you are deluded.

1) Jobs up north - these used to be in manufacturing / farming and so on. Post Thatcher these have dwindled to very little, and they are now mainly in tourism or the public sector. The latter have been under pressure over the last 5 years, we have survived two cut-based restructures, and can now 'look forward' to another one or two. We are pared to the bone, and services to the public are already being badly affected. Indeed, the pressure for these services in my sector is from landowners and farmers who traditionally vote tory, and get quite angry when I tell them that they are now going to have to pay for what was previously free - and it will take twice as long as we have no staff and no money. They have trouble linking cause and effect.

2) Houses up north - yes there are some cheap houses here. But these tend to be in the old industrial city centres where there are no jobs left to go to (see above). A walk round Burnley or Bolton (for example) shows you how depressed and fallen they are - there is little but pawn and cash convertor style shops. If you want a house anywhere 'nice' you can't afford it on a normalvnorthern wage, because they've all gone to folk moving up after selling their house down south. Or buying one for their holidays and using it twice a year.

3) Poly's to Uni's. You can't blame this on Labour. I started at a Poly in 1992, and ended with a University degree. This was because of the Further & Higher Education Act of 1992. That was John Major's time, not Labour. Most (around 40 I think) Poly's immediately became Universities. Others followed in the second Blair term - but it wasn't government policy to do this. Once the ability had been introduced, the Poly's and Colleges has the right to do this. Labour could only have stopped them by revoking the legislation, but it was too late by then.

4) Privatising the NHS - depends on what you mean by 'privatisation'. I agree that it is unlikely that many would support full privatisation. But the Tories are, and have always been, quite clear that they want to parcel bits out, for instance by awarding hospital contracts to private companies, and have already done this (Circle). They want to extend this. And the country has just voted to carry this sort of drift on. So - seemingly, 'the people' are quite happy to put up with the NHS being partly privatised.

 

[Nibble]

and you top the lot, take a good look at yourself you self righteous prick

 

[The Rivet]

Do that many people read the sun.

Too many. They like the pictures!

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Very simplistic view of what goes on at protests. I am guessing you don't spend much time at them.

Seen plenty over years, mostly comprise of a few anti-establishment leaders who curry support from college refectories, organise a few banners, do a few speeches, call the police a few names, then if things turn bad go home with a TV.

In all seriousness when I was at college back in 80's these people used to come in to the college rally the students (remember the days of rentamob) bus them around, give them a fiver to protest whatever was the flavour that week. My collegues and I found it amusing as we were being paid to be there as we were all apprentices for British Caledonian as were a number of other students for other companies. These students thought they were at the forefront of democracy and revolution. They weren't they were just pawns being used by others to get publicity. It still works.

 

[London Irish]

Tarring all those on the left with the actions of a repugnant few.

Stay classy Bozza.

Quite, Bozza graduating very quickly from shyTory to full-on Tory tool.

But that's fine - next time some Kipper comes out with racist bollox or a fascist shoves some shit through an Asian family's letterbox, we'll know who to blame............ Bozza and other "righties" obviously.

 

[El Presidente]

Not to worry. Anyway you were adamant that you would emigrate if the Tories got back in. Anywhere in mind.

Thanet?

 

[El Presidente]

No doubt many are clueless students who're pissed off because they can't skive at uni for 10 years anymore like they used too.

Yes they can, I'm still there 32 years later.

 

[KZNSeagull]

I agree, but if we focus on the paint on the monument (as classless as it is) then we don't have to address or recognise the things that people are protesting about. It is a tried and tested trick and one that works quite beautifully.

A trick? By whom? I am sure that in many people's minds, defacing that monument has shown the people protesting up and has therefore invalidated their argument. People are not talking about what the protests are about, but what the protesters did, which defeats the object. I know they are only doing this for publicity (had they behaved it makes it less likely that they would not be on the news) but people are not saying "ooh, they may have a point there", they are saying "what a bunch of c****".

 

[Soulman]

Quite, Bozza graduating very quickly from shyTory to full-on Tory tool.

But that's fine - next time some Kipper comes out with racist bollox or a fascist shoves some shit through an Asian family's letterbox, we'll know who to blame............ Bozza and other "righties" obviously.

Agree, not nice, but seeing as you mentioned shit, do we blame the Dogging in Birmingham on the other lefties.

The scene which greeted staff arriving at Anderton Park School in Birmingham before morning assembly was chilling. A dead dog had been left outside — not just left but, with medieval brutality, strung up on the railings at the entrance and displayed like something you might see in a horror film. We now know it was not simply a random act of sadistic animal cruelty; Anderton, whose catchment area covers Sparkhill, a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood, was chosen deliberately. The school had received an anonymous call the previous day warning headteacher Sarah Hewitt-Clarkson about what was going to happen.

The motive?

It was spelt out in a death threat sent to her on social media at around the same time, in which someone had written: ‘Any headteacher who teaches my children it’s alright to be gay will be at the end of my shotgun.’ Of 700 pupils at Anderton, 99.8 per cent are from minority ethnic backgrounds, the majority of them Muslim. Many believe there is little doubt where the threat originated from.


Meanwhile, a petition organised by hardline Muslims, objecting to a new anti-homophobic bullying programme at Anderton, has been circulating outside the school. The vendetta against Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson has been going on for at least two months, the period in which these sinister incidents occurred. Details only emerged last weekend when Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson, 44, addressed the annual conference of the National Association of Headteachers in Liverpool.

She spoke about the climate of ‘fear and intimidation still prevalent’ in Birmingham in the wake of the Trojan Horse scandal, which exposed attempts by militant Muslims to infiltrate state schools to impose an Islamic agenda. No one has stood up to the extremists more courageously — or been more vociferous in opposing them — than Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson. Many — including the newly re-elected Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, Khalid Mahmood, himself a Muslim — believe this is one of the main reasons why she and other heads in Birmingham are now being targeted.

Almost from the first day she was appointed in 2012, Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson has fought a running battle with a small but significant minority of hardline governors and parents who tried to undermine her and the ethos of Anderton Park (some Muslim children, for example, were discouraged by their parents from playing with white pupils).

It was supposed to be the dawn of a new era for education in Birmingham. But Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson’s experience proves otherwise. ‘Trojan Horse has not gone away,’ she told the Liverpool conference. ‘Those of us who were involved knew it was the tip of the iceberg. We still have dead animals hung on gates of schools, dismembered cats on playgrounds. ‘We have petitions outside schools, objecting to teachers teaching against homophobia.’ She said she has reported the ‘Facebook death threat’ to police but did not disclose where any of the other incidents she referred to in her speech took place.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

1) Jobs up north - these used to be in manufacturing / farming and so on. Post Thatcher these have dwindled to very little, and they are now mainly in tourism or the public sector. The latter have been under pressure over the last 5 years, we have survived two cut-based restructures, and can now 'look forward' to another one or two. We are pared to the bone, and services to the public are already being badly affected. Indeed, the pressure for these services in my sector is from landowners and farmers who traditionally vote tory, and get quite angry when I tell them that they are now going to have to pay for what was previously free - and it will take twice as long as we have no staff and no money. They have trouble linking cause and effect.

2) Houses up north - yes there are some cheap houses here. But these tend to be in the old industrial city centres where there are no jobs left to go to (see above). A walk round Burnley or Bolton (for example) shows you how depressed and fallen they are - there is little but pawn and cash convertor style shops. If you want a house anywhere 'nice' you can't afford it on a normalvnorthern wage, because they've all gone to folk moving up after selling their house down south. Or buying one for their holidays and using it twice a year.

3) Poly's to Uni's. You can't blame this on Labour. I started at a Poly in 1992, and ended with a University degree. This was because of the Further & Higher Education Act of 1992. That was John Major's time, not Labour. Most (around 40 I think) Poly's immediately became Universities. Others followed in the second Blair term - but it wasn't government policy to do this. Once the ability had been introduced, the Poly's and Colleges has the right to do this. Labour could only have stopped them by revoking the legislation, but it was too late by then.

4) Privatising the NHS - depends on what you mean by 'privatisation'. I agree that it is unlikely that many would support full privatisation. But the Tories are, and have always been, quite clear that they want to parcel bits out, for instance by awarding hospital contracts to private companies, and have already done this (Circle). They want to extend this. And the country has just voted to carry this sort of drift on. So - seemingly, 'the people' are quite happy to put up with the NHS being partly privatised.

1. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11805726.Unemployment_rate_in_Blackburn__Darwen_and_Burnley_above_average/ Somewhat dismisses that claim. Its still not great but not as bad as you paint.

2. I know the area quite well. The houses that were due for redevelopment are now being renovated, I know I've been in many of them! They sell for £15k, you can get an interest free loan from the council of £20k to renovate, and they are going for about £45 done.These end up being nice two/three bed properties, two people working min wage full time can easily afford them, in fact they are!

3. B Lair wanted the total amount of students to rise hugely he did this but someone had to pay for it.

4. Successive governments have outsourced I'm sure it will continue but the service itself will not be.

 

[carlzeiss]

looks like they missed a letter from cuts

 

[Soulman]

looks like they missed a letter from cuts

Most look like students.......i bet they have more chance of getting a job now than in 2009.

 

[London Irish]

Agree, not nice, but seeing as you mentioned shit, do we blame the Dogging in Birmingham on the other lefties.

The scene which greeted staff arriving at Anderton Park School in Birmingham before morning assembly was chilling. A dead dog had been left outside — not just left but, with medieval brutality, strung up on the railings at the entrance and displayed like something you might see in a horror film. We now know it was not simply a random act of sadistic animal cruelty; Anderton, whose catchment area covers Sparkhill, a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood, was chosen deliberately. The school had received an anonymous call the previous day warning headteacher Sarah Hewitt-Clarkson about what was going to happen.

The motive?

It was spelt out in a death threat sent to her on social media at around the same time, in which someone had written: ‘Any headteacher who teaches my children it’s alright to be gay will be at the end of my shotgun.’ Of 700 pupils at Anderton, 99.8 per cent are from minority ethnic backgrounds, the majority of them Muslim. Many believe there is little doubt where the threat originated from.


Meanwhile, a petition organised by hardline Muslims, objecting to a new anti-homophobic bullying programme at Anderton, has been circulating outside the school. The vendetta against Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson has been going on for at least two months, the period in which these sinister incidents occurred. Details only emerged last weekend when Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson, 44, addressed the annual conference of the National Association of Headteachers in Liverpool.

She spoke about the climate of ‘fear and intimidation still prevalent’ in Birmingham in the wake of the Trojan Horse scandal, which exposed attempts by militant Muslims to infiltrate state schools to impose an Islamic agenda. No one has stood up to the extremists more courageously — or been more vociferous in opposing them — than Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson. Many — including the newly re-elected Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, Khalid Mahmood, himself a Muslim — believe this is one of the main reasons why she and other heads in Birmingham are now being targeted.

Almost from the first day she was appointed in 2012, Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson has fought a running battle with a small but significant minority of hardline governors and parents who tried to undermine her and the ethos of Anderton Park (some Muslim children, for example, were discouraged by their parents from playing with white pupils).

It was supposed to be the dawn of a new era for education in Birmingham. But Mrs Hewitt-Clarkson’s experience proves otherwise. ‘Trojan Horse has not gone away,’ she told the Liverpool conference. ‘Those of us who were involved knew it was the tip of the iceberg. We still have dead animals hung on gates of schools, dismembered cats on playgrounds. ‘We have petitions outside schools, objecting to teachers teaching against homophobia.’ She said she has reported the ‘Facebook death threat’ to police but did not disclose where any of the other incidents she referred to in her speech took place.

Do you really have to copy and paste in full from crappy far right websites? I'm betting even NSC's Tory voters find it dull.

Make your point in your own words